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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Three of the problems caused by dropouts aren't caused by them, they are caused by you.

    High school today does not provide the tools necessary for self sufficiency. It is inadequate at best.

    A free society also implies people will NOT be responsible.

    By the way what you propose isn't asking its forcing, that's big difference. Perhaps if you want them to complete high school maybe you should think about utilizing honey instead of vinegar. Honey seems to always get more flies.
    i'm open to incentivising the completion of high school. however, i'm still not for allowing a minor to drop out. it's just plain dumb. many of the issues conservatives rage against are compounded by people who drop out of high school. we should be in complete agreement on this issue.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i'm open to incentivising the completion of high school. however, i'm still not for allowing a minor to drop out. it's just plain dumb. many of the issues conservatives rage against are compounded by people who drop out of high school. we should be in complete agreement on this issue.
    I am not conservative. I am liberal as in classic. I don't even believe there should be such a thing as public schools or that schooling of any kind should be compulsory. These problems are a RESULT of public schooling. If you wish to cure the dropout rate and have children complete schooling then perhaps making worth their while would work.
    Quite frankly public schooling is a joke, and a bad one at that. I for one refuse to send my children to them. I prefer to use tutors. The results are far superior.
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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    I am not conservative. I am liberal as in classic. I don't even believe there should be such a thing as public schools or that schooling of any kind should be compulsory. These problems are a RESULT of public schooling. If you wish to cure the dropout rate and have children complete schooling then perhaps making worth their while would work.
    Quite frankly public schooling is a joke, and a bad one at that. I for one refuse to send my children to them. I prefer to use tutors. The results are far superior.
    i bolded a sentence in your quote to seek clarification.

    so, your argument is that we should change our current education system to allow parents to opt out completely? in other words, it should be an option to have completely illiterate children who have no education whatsoever?

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    I am not conservative. I am liberal as in classic. I don't even believe there should be such a thing as public schools or that schooling of any kind should be compulsory. These problems are a RESULT of public schooling. If you wish to cure the dropout rate and have children complete schooling then perhaps making worth their while would work.
    Quite frankly public schooling is a joke, and a bad one at that. I for one refuse to send my children to them. I prefer to use tutors. The results are far superior.
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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Drop outs become criminals and welfare recipients. They have an obligation to society to succeed.
    haha..so people in general then have an obligation to you to succeed in their lives. How absurd.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    and responsibility is essential for the preservation of freedom. you know why we have so many laws for you to rage against? because irresponsible, selfish idiots ruined it for the whole class. developing one's intellect reduces the chance of being an idiot who is going to generate more laws to rage against. this is a key point that libertarians never seem to accept. i suppose that's part of why i'm no longer a libertarian.

    there is no good reason to let kids drop out of school.
    I see, so if responsibility is essential to preserve freedom, we must make people less free, so that people are responsible, so that in turn we preserve freedom. Wow, that makes no sense at all.
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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    I'm not only talking about The possibility of a violent act, but how many disrupt the class to the point where others have a hard time learning. I would imagine more should be done with scared straight programs for kids who are messing up big time. Have them live in complete poverty for a few days or spend a few days in a prison cell.
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    So put them in a special class. With armed guards for the teacher, or something.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i bolded a sentence in your quote to seek clarification.

    so, your argument is that we should change our current education system to allow parents to opt out completely? in other words, it should be an option to have completely illiterate children who have no education whatsoever?
    Schooling until the late 1800's and early 1900's was NOT compulsory for the most part and reading and education rates went though the roof. Today in order to use pretty much ANY electronic devise you must learn to read. Period. There is no real getting around it. If public schooling were stopped today I suspect that the reading rates would stay the same or increase.

    Schooling via the public schooling system amounts to no more than public indoctrination. There very little real value in it. It is designed to provide minimally educated workers, not thinkers or business people. Universities are starting to break now as they used to bastions for critical thinking and now are less and less so. Most of which that is taught in public school can be taught by the parents of the children. The rest can be done by tutors or the internet. Parents can easily best schools by providing practical experience for their children utilizing their new found skills. A far superior education can be had at a fraction of the cost currently spent by public institutions. For those that don't or wont get educated, well so far the world still needs ditch diggers.
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    Re: Minimum drop out age

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    High school as it is today is a joke. Reading, writing, math, history and science should be taught K-9 and grades 10 - 12 should be prep education to go on to college for those who qualify and trade school for those who don't.

    Teens without direction get into too much trouble, so definitely no, dropping out should not be a choice until they are 18.

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