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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    ...and your opinion? Or is this OPINION© pice exactly your thougyts?.
    my opinion is that completing high school should be the bare minimum.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    I thought it was determined by age not grade completion? Could of sworn it was 16, at least in Florida.
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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    my opinion is that completing high school should be the bare minimum.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Now, see, that GED thing counts in my book - an acceptable alternative to a HS diploma.

    It's people who get neither that I think are being let slip through the cracks
    Well, actually, in my heart I agree with you but I just don't know if it's possible. You'll have 38 year olds stilly trying to pass Sophomore year. And of course, it is wise and valuable to do this. Just because I got away with something doesn't make it right or smart.

    Still, I've never regretted it.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    and that's why the option should be removed. barring severe physical illness, there isn't a good reason to not at least finish high school.
    Yes there is.

    Because it's haaaaaard.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Yes there is.

    Because it's haaaaaard.
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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    I don't think anyone should be able to drop out and if they do, they should be ineligible for any form of public assistance or welfare. They have a chance to make something of themselves, if they ignore it, why should we care?
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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    I thought it was determined by age not grade completion? Could of sworn it was 16, at least in Florida.
    You're correct it varies state to state by age, which many are changing to 18 yrs. The original drop out age was probably a throw back to the Depression Era when young adults could be more useful working in the fields helping support the family.

    There are over 1.5 million children home schooled also that have no age determination for dropping out or completion.
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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Why is it so important to finish HS? I mean, its a good idea and so is College but why do you think we should impose it on the unwilling. What if the youngster wants to open a business or travel the world instead?
    And how are they gonna do that at 14? Even a hostel will ID you. Who's gonna go into a loan with a 14-year-old? How are they going to get the property? They can't even attempt any of those things until they're 18 anyway. So what are they gonna do with those 4 dead years between when they dropped out and when they have all their rights?

    And then there's just the fact that an 8th grade education isn't adequate for basic existence. I actually did travel after high school. If I had stopped at the typical 8th grade education level, I wouldn't have been functional enough to even care for myself. Hell, I was advanced, and even with higher than average education at graduation, it's still hard at 18 simply because 18-year-olds don't have any life experience and not a ton of common sense either. I am certain I'd be dead if I had attempted it at 14, with an even more under-baked cerebral cortex. Starting a business at that education level? Are you kidding?

    These are young kids who won't and can't do anything but sit at home and twiddle their thumbs when they drop out so young. They aren't going to "speed up" their dreams by dropping out without either the skills or the legal right to do even the basics. Let's be real.

    Our education system, sadly, is designed in such a way that most students won't benefit from it very much. But letting them abandon it earlier under the auspice that they'll go after some kind of legally-impossible dream with no more education and an undeveloped brain and no life experience is just silly. Let's fix the system instead, and try to aim the right kind of education at the right students.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by JJB3333 View Post
    Ok so i would just like to ask something tha has been bugging me. Sould the drop our grade be lowered.I mean of course i accept that all kids should have an education, but why are we wasting money on so many kids who dont want to be there. We should have it so that say from 9th grade, if the kids want to drop out and riun their lifes, it is their choice. if the parents dont want them to, they can force them to stay in school, but you have all of these kids who are failing classes, ditching, sometimes even going to drugs, and we waste money putting them through year after years of school.

    So question: should the drop out grade be lowered from 11th grade
    I find that a very interesting question. Truancy and drop-out are the two main points, where the government actually could do something better than private education can. It is important to make children get schooling and acquire behavioral patterns compatible with work, because without these individuals become costly to everyone else later by becoming criminal or social cases. Allowing this to happen to large numbers of kids has weakened society over the last decades. Government has concentrated on teaching, which it does not do as well as private enterprise and neglected enforcement, which it does better.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    this may sound slightly insane, but....

    I don't think kids should be allowed to drop out at all - although if a state allows it, they could be homeschooled and the like.
    Homeschooling is a good other option.

    However, everyone should be required to get a HS diploma - if they have mental issues they should receive extra help, and if they are prone to not giving a damn they should be required to at least meet minimum standards.
    And the teachers and the schools must have minimum standards too.

    If they refuse, they also should recieve extra help, but in a different form, up to and including armed guards locking them in a classroom until they either die or learn.

    Ok that last bit might be SLIGHTLY overkill.
    A court order with a possible transfer to another school may also be in order.

    Edit: Further, I would fully support a law that requires parents to attend some meetings between the parents, the teacher, and the kid.
    And by requires I mean if you don't show up an arrest warrant is issued and the police can drag your ass there. Pay the parents for their time if necessary, assuming their financial situation is that desperate. And don't allow them to be fired for not being at work during such a meeting.
    Given that one cannot be fired for attending jury duty, a similar measure may be used here.
    Man, I'm turning into a totalitarian or something...
    I think we need to think over how the students are educated and change the system or start from scratch if it is not giving the wanted results.
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