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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    If you can drop out by testing out (GED), and/or can find a way to support yourself , then go ahead. But bear in mind that we already have way too many people who are uneducated or under-educated to the point that they can't get a job that pays a living wage.

    Problem with the uneducated is that they know so little that they have no clue how ignorant they are. Ignorance has no value, education does.
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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    If you can drop out by testing out (GED), and/or can find a way to support yourself , then go ahead. But bear in mind that we already have way too many people who are uneducated or under-educated to the point that they can't get a job that pays a living wage.

    Problem with the uneducated is that they know so little that they have no clue how ignorant they are. Ignorance has no value, education does.
    The real problem is that we reward the lack of effort put forth by these individuals with basic government provided subsistence. How ignorant is that?
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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Tothian View Post
    You weren't enjoying it as kids. You weren't just "learning". You were forced against your own will to go. You had to learn the same stuff every year that you would likely not have much use for in life.

    Optional, yes. And let kids learn what they find interesting. Learn useful vocational stuff at a younger age. Why have to wait to graduate high school where you learned nothing useful. Then it ends up being harder to get in to the stuff that is more interesting and useful - depending on what you are studying and if it really interests you.
    You may have never matured and grew beyond only learning what you minimally have to, but I have. Not only have my opinions and wants & needs evolved beyond the simplistic childish needs for continual play, but I have been back to school as an adult and I absolutely love it. Like The Mark, if I had enough money to live comfortably otherwise I could easily be a "professional student".
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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    If you can drop out by testing out (GED), and/or can find a way to support yourself , then go ahead. But bear in mind that we already have way too many people who are uneducated or under-educated to the point that they can't get a job that pays a living wage.

    Problem with the uneducated is that they know so little that they have no clue how ignorant they are. Ignorance has no value, education does.
    Sometimes the only "value" is the piece of paper (diploma/degree), but it is what it is.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    The real problem is that we reward the lack of effort put forth by these individuals with basic government provided subsistence. How ignorant is that?
    which is why I said you must be able to support yourself....no food stamps, no welfare, no help at all. Dropouts who can't do that should have stayed in school.
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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by JJB3333 View Post
    Ok so i would just like to ask something tha has been bugging me. Sould the drop our grade be lowered.I mean of course i accept that all kids should have an education, but why are we wasting money on so many kids who dont want to be there. We should have it so that say from 9th grade, if the kids want to drop out and riun their lifes, it is their choice. if the parents dont want them to, they can force them to stay in school, but you have all of these kids who are failing classes, ditching, sometimes even going to drugs, and we waste money putting them through year after years of school.

    So question: should the drop out grade be lowered from 11th grade
    I don't get the whole 'grade' system. It reeks of insanity. I'll assume 11th graders are 5th year students (15/16 years of age).

    That most kids are loathe to attend school ought to suggest that school itself is the problem, rather than the kids. Along with the society from which it originates. Note that, while children embark upon their academic careers with the potential for virtual godhood, they emerge scarcely a decade later as stunted dwarves, irrevocably crushed. This is hardly a coincidence. A problem surely isn't resolved by ignoring it. I should add that the prevailing American notion of 'winners' and 'bums' is so much fecal matter.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    The real problem is that we reward the lack of effort put forth by these individuals with basic government provided subsistence. How ignorant is that?
    Not only is it ignorant, it's unfair to those who are growing up not knowing that there are ways to improve their lot other than becoming wards of the government, depending upon government to provide what they want and need. What happens when all that aid is lessened or withdrawn one day?

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Not only is it ignorant, it's unfair to those who are growing up not knowing that there are ways to improve their lot other than becoming wards of the government, depending upon government to provide what they want and need. What happens when all that aid is lessened or withdrawn one day?

    Greetings, AP.
    Good evening pg. Your question won't be answered until we actually end the programs and return responsibility back to the families that spawned the children...
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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Tothian View Post
    You weren't enjoying it as kids. You weren't just "learning". You were forced against your own will to go. You had to learn the same stuff every year that you would likely not have much use for in life.

    Optional, yes. And let kids learn what they find interesting. Learn useful vocational stuff at a younger age. Why have to wait to graduate high school where you learned nothing useful. Then it ends up being harder to get in to the stuff that is more interesting and useful - depending on what you are studying and if it really interests you.
    Perhaps I had a better experience than yourself.

    I was homeschooled. So, while I think I missed out on various things (most notably social interactions), I did have a very small class size to deal with...
    Education.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Perhaps I had a better experience than yourself.

    I was homeschooled. So, while I think I missed out on various things (most notably social interactions), I did have a very small class size to deal with...
    I'd had all kinds of experiences. Even volunteered for a military school - that I enjoyed. Especially the Leadership Class. But it prepared me for the military.

    Sitting in a classroom bored to death when all a kid could think about is accomplishing great things. Not living a boring, mediocre life. That's what school was. It made life boring. Life wasn't meant to be boring nor mediocre.

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