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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    Fining the parents sounds like a good idea. That would get them involved.
    And the parents that are already very poor? Sadly this seems to be the case in the majority of drop-outs... there is no easy answer. BUT, I do feel that dropping the age is not the way to go.
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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    Yours is a legitimate argument, and I might be a biased intellectual idealist. However, I mean seriously, just graduate high school. ****, some countries force everyone to be in the army.

    I think we need to SERIOUSLY redesign the structure of secondary school, though. Nothing wrong with separate academic and vocational routes, as long as the kid gets to make the decision.
    Perhaps...

    Highschool could have "levels" of graduation - at one level, you can go on to higher education easily...at a lower level, you need additional schooling before doing so, or remedial classes in college. Although that's kinda the same thing, I suppose.

    Still though, I think every child should be required to learn a few basic things - like personal finances, history, math, reading, writing...all the standard stuff, except perhaps for that finances bit. Could tie that in with math, probably, since they're so interrelated.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    And the parents that are already very poor? Sadly this seems to be the case in the majority of drop-outs... there is no easy answer. BUT, I do feel that dropping the age is not the way to go.
    a poor parent can still require a child to attend school. i've sometimes wondered about financial rewards for the parents of children who excel / improve, also.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Perhaps...

    Highschool could have "levels" of graduation - at one level, you can go on to higher education easily...at a lower level, you need additional schooling before doing so, or remedial classes in college. Although that's kinda the same thing, I suppose.

    Still though, I think every child should be required to learn a few basic things - like personal finances, history, math, reading, writing...all the standard stuff, except perhaps for that finances bit. Could tie that in with math, probably, since they're so interrelated.

    I dunno...
    those are some good ideas.

    i would look at moving to a block schedule; classes meet every other day for twice as long, and would be devoted mostly to completing homework after the lecture. the teacher could then devote his or her time to tutoring the students in class. this would counteract the lack of access to home tutoring that most kids experience.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    I agree to that to a point as well. I would like to see a more "life lesson" centered curricula.
    Budgeting, loans and credit cards, nutrition, cooking… those things that were taught in the old “Home Ec” classes.

    But, I also feel that an academic education is not always the way to go. A kid that has no chance or desire to ever go to college should be able to take a Vocational route instead of English Lit. In the long run, learning a trade is much more effective than learning about Beowulf or The Canterbury Tales
    I agree to an extent. What bothers me about this approach though is that to be a functional citizen - to be able to understand issues and realize when smoke is being blown up your posterior - you need to possess some level of critical thinking and reasoning skills. You don't get those in vocational school.
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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    those are some good ideas.

    i would look at moving to a block schedule; classes meet every other day for twice as long, and would be devoted mostly to completing homework after the lecture. the teacher could then devote his or her time to tutoring the students in class. this would counteract the lack of access to home tutoring that most kids experience.
    I like that. Nothings turns kids off faster than full blocks of nothing but boring lecture. Time should be allotted for assignment work, also.
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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    I agree to an extent. What bothers me about this approach though is that to be a functional citizen - to be able to understand issues and realize when smoke is being blown up your posterior - you need to possess some level of critical thinking and reasoning skills. You don't get those in vocational school.
    And to that I agree... The trend that I have seen has been a focus on critical thinking in many areas. I think that is a great way to go. Rote memorization is a horrible way to learn.

    I was once the an evaluator for an Aircrew position in the Navy. I had a a reputation of being the hardest evaluator out there. I was not harder, I just requred you to think. For example, instead of asking "What frequency(s) does the PRC90 survival radio have?" To which everyone had memorized, I would ask "You have survived the crash and now want to talk to the search aircraft, what frequency do you dial up?" It required a little more in-depth (and much more meaningful) knowlege that spouting off the two frequencies when you had to know that One was for SAR coordination and one was, most likely, going to be clobbered by the emergency beacon.

    Sadly, many Crewmen, that flew every day, could tell you the trivia of how much a radio weighed, but not how to use it. Changing that, was one of my main goals in that position. I am happy to say that when my son took his check flight last summer, the questions there were asked were almost all "critical thinking" types.
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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    And to that I agree... The trend that I have seen has been a focus on critical thinking in many areas. I think that is a great way to go. Rote memorization is a horrible way to learn.

    I was once the an evaluator for an Aircrew position in the Navy. I had a a reputation of being the hardest evaluator out there. I was not harder, I just requred you to think. For example, instead of asking "What frequency(s) does the PRC90 survival radio have?" To which everyone had memorized, I would ask "You have survived the crash and now want to talk to the search aircraft, what frequency do you dial up?" It required a little more in-depth (and much more meaningful) knowlege that spouting off the two frequencies when you had to know that One was for SAR coordination and one was, most likely, going to be clobbered by the emergency beacon.

    Sadly, many Crewmen, that flew every day, could tell you the trivia of how much a radio weighed, but not how to use it. Changing that, was one of my main goals in that position. I am happy to say that when my son took his check flight last summer, the questions there were asked were almost all "critical thinking" types.
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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I like that. Nothings turns kids off faster than full blocks of nothing but boring lecture. Time should be allotted for assignment work, also.
    And how many times, after a lecture/class, when doing homework, did one of us have questions they wanted to ask the teacher/professor...

    Promising idea, that one.
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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    No, you asked for evidence I provided it. Bellyache all you want but the entire national education model is based on the TEXAS model that used fake numbers to impose itself on the nation. My claim is not "therefore false" because you want it to be. If you are going to erect a proper strawman, you should at least develop some skill at it. There are two relatives in two different districts in my extended family who used "released to home schooling" as a way to drop out when they could not officially drop out. You provide proof you have purchased some home schooling/GED plan and you never hear from the school systems again and never have to complete the program. Sorry, you lose.
    You provided old links to news media sites, thats not evidence. And i dont care what your flunky extended family does or says. Two people are not big numbers anyways even if I did believe you. The you cry wolf and assert that these parents never hear anything at all. lmao.

    Parents Arrested For Not Teaching Their Home-schooled Children Say They're Innocent | WFSU

    ANd the court papers https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=h...3100212370.pdf

    An analysis of Georgia laws and home schooling. http://www.hslda.org/laws/analysis/Georgia.pdf

    And this shows what states are lacking on home schooling laws and those who are not. HSLDA | Home School Laws




    green - States requiring no notice: No state requirement for parents to initiate any contact.
    yellow - States with low regulation: State requires parental notification only.
    orange - States with moderate regulation: State requires parents to send notification, test scores, and/or professional evaluation of student progress.
    red -States with high regulation: State requires parents to send notification or achievement test scores and/or professional evaluation, plus other requirements (e.g. curriculum approval by the state, teacher qualification of parents, or home visits by state officials).

    Notice there not every state is like Texas.

    I do have two school age children. They both attend public schools. But if circumstances changed I would like to retain my right as a parent to teach my own children legally. Of course we should all be home schooling our kids, but we circumstances do not allows allow that. At the very least parents should still teach their children even if they are in the best school that money can buy. Its the parents responsibility, not someone like you that have relatives that dont care about their kids.

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