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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    I tend to favor something in the other direction. IMO, the single biggest hurdle to kids getting a good public education is the lack of ability to get rid of trouble making students. n These trouble makers suck up more resources and time then everybody else combined... resources and time that should be spent on students who WANT to be there and who WANT to learn.

    People prattle on about the student's right to an education. Ok, let's run with that. The trouble making a-hole has no right to deprive my good student to their chance at a good education.

    I say kick them the eff out of school and better spend the resources and time on the majority who want to be there. The "bang for the buck" increase will be phenomenal.

    Those "left behind" will be relatively few, and most of them aren't really salvageable anyway.
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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    my local high school has vocational programs for the kids who aren't going to college. That's probably the best way to do it. However, graduation should still be required.
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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    We already have "continuation" high schools that serve that purpose, and their success is dubious at best. How would you enforce the actual getting of an education/diploma for kids who seriously have no interest?
    same thing that would be done for an eigth grader; send the truant officer to get them. when they graduate, they can stop going to school. graduating high school isn't too much to ask of a citizen.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    same thing that would be done for an eigth grader; send the truant officer to get them. when they graduate, they can stop going to school. graduating high school isn't too much to ask of a citizen.
    I agree that it's not asking much. Let's get real... high school isn't very hard. It's mostly doing minimal assignments and putting in "seat time". Whenever I think of drop-outs, or even people with GEDs, I think, "You can't do high school? That's bare minimal crap. What can you do?"

    Would you be in favor of allowing people to "test out" of high school? I don't mean a GED, I mean giving them an actual diploma if they can demonstrate the minimum knowledge early?

    I would. I'd be fine with that.

    I understand, and agree with, your desire. There's just something about virtually holding somebody prisoner and forcing them to do something against their will (over the age of 16, arbitrary age, picked by me) that's crossing a line for me. I'd rather spend the time and resources on those who want to be there so they can excel even more.
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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    same thing that would be done for an eigth grader; send the truant officer to get them. when they graduate, they can stop going to school. graduating high school isn't too much to ask of a citizen.
    And if he refuses? several times... continuously... then what? Arrest? Fine the Parents?
    At what point does it become too much of a burden on the local PD? They cannot be protecting the people when they are busy with truancy.
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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I agree that it's not asking much. Let's get real... high schoolloss.'t very hard. It's mostly doing minimal assignments and putting in "seat time". Whenever I think of drop-outs, or even people with GEDs, I think, "You can't do high school? That's bare minimal crap. What can you do?"

    Would you be in favor of allowing people to "test out" of high school? I don't mean a GED, I mean giving them an actual diploma if they can demonstrate the minimum knowledge early?

    I would. I'd be fine with that.

    I understand, and agree with, your desire. There's just something about virtually holding somebody prisoner and forcing them to do something against their will (over the age of 16, arbitrary age, picked by me) that's crossing a line for me. I'd rather spend the time and resources on those who want to be there so they can excel even more.
    I'd say maybe. It would at least be an improvement over the current system, and it's a decent compromise.

    Here's the thing, though : it's not just about knowing the material. The act of constant learning is weightlifting for the mind. Even learning things that seem useless can be used for completely unrelated applications. And when you factor in that the brain is developing up through the late 20s, this is the critical time for intellectual rigor. I'd like to keep kids in school as long as possible for this reason, and if you give them the option to split at 16, a lot of them are going to take it. Sure, I know, tough for them, but we end up footing the bill, and it's not just a monetary loss

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    And if he refuses? several times... continuously... then what? Arrest? Fine the Parents?
    At what point does it become too much of a burden on the local PD? They cannot be protecting the people when they are busy with truancy.
    Fining the parents sounds like a good idea. That would get them involved.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    And if he refuses? several times... continuously... then what? Arrest? Fine the Parents?
    At what point does it become too much of a burden on the local PD? They cannot be protecting the people when they are busy with truancy.
    They go to school-jail, which is a school that doesn't let you out.




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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    I'd say maybe. It would at least be an improvement over the current system, and it's a decent compromise.

    Here's the thing, though : it's not just about knowing the material. The act of constant learning is weightlifting for the mind. Even learning things that seem useless can be used for completely unrelated applications. And when you factor in that the brain is developing up through the late 20s, this is the critical time for intellectual rigor. I'd like to keep kids in school as long as possible for this reason, and if you give them the option to split at 16, a lot of them are going to take it. Sure, I know, tough for them, but we end up footing the bill, and it's not just a monetary loss
    You make good points, and I'm right there with you on the constant exercising of the mind thing. There's just a point where a small minority ends up sucking a disproportionate percentage of the resources and I think more people would benefit overall if we just cut them loose.
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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    You make good points, and I'm right there with you on the constant exercising of the mind thing. There's just a point where a small minority ends up sucking a disproportionate percentage of the resources and I think more people would benefit overall if we just cut them loose.
    Yours is a legitimate argument, and I might be a biased intellectual idealist. However, I mean seriously, just graduate high school. ****, some countries force everyone to be in the army.

    I think we need to SERIOUSLY redesign the structure of secondary school, though. Nothing wrong with separate academic and vocational routes, as long as the kid gets to make the decision.

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