View Poll Results: Sould the drop out grade be lowered

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Thread: Minimum drop out age

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    and i think 12th grade is fairly realistic. we are only one year apart. what is the problem with requiring citizens to complete 12 years of school?
    Because of the age... In my experience, the folks that are dropping out in the 11th grade have already been set back at least once. I don't have any data n that, but I would love to see some. A person that has been set back once is 19 when they graduate.. twice 20... by that point the person is likely to be so jaded with school they just stop going.

    I live in rural America. Many of my friends are HS educators. Some Administrators. That data is coming from those people. They tried quite hard to get me to come into teaching. The two Principals both offered me a job even though I do not have a teaching certificate. They feel that my military discipline would help get some of those kids that are on a dead end street, back on track before they are lost.
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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    You are not going to break the cycle. The best you can do is move them out of the way of those who want to learn.
    i don't agree. letting immature minors drop out of school only perpetuates the problem.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    Because of the age... In my experience, the folks that are dropping out in the 11th grade have already been set back at least once. I don't have any data n that, but I would love to see some. A person that has been set back once is 19 when they graduate.. twice 20... by that point the person is likely to be so jaded with school they just stop going.

    I live in rural America. Many of my friends are HS educators. Some Administrators. That data is coming from those people. They tried quite hard to get me to come into teaching. The two Principals both offered me a job even though I do not have a teaching certificate. They feel that my military discipline would help get some of those kids that are on a dead end street, back on track before they are lost.
    i live in rural America. my parents are both educators. letting kids drop out in 11th grade rather than requiring them to complete 12th grade has no benefits.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i don't agree. letting immature minors drop out of school only perpetuates the problem.
    forcing people to remain in institutions practicing outdated educational models perpetuates a bigger problem.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    forcing people to remain in institutions practicing outdated educational models perpetuates a bigger problem.
    then it appears that the curriculum is what needs to be addressed. i have some ideas. however, there is still no good reason to not require kids to achieve some minimal level of education.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    then it appears that the curriculum is what needs to be addressed.
    Exactly what I said.
    I actually have written a bit about this subject in a book I am working on, as well as in several essays for college assignments.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    then it appears that the curriculum is what needs to be addressed. i have some ideas. however, there is still no good reason to not require kids to achieve some minimal level of education.
    I addressed some of the changes to curriculum in an earlier post.

    I also agree with your statement that they SHOULD complete the 12th grade. However, there is only so much you can do. Sometimes you have to be realistic and admit that there are some that just do not WANT to do that backflip...
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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    I addressed some of the changes to curriculum in an earlier post.

    I also agree with your statement that they SHOULD complete the 12th grade. However, there is only so much you can do. Sometimes you have to be realistic and admit that there are some that just do not WANT to do that backflip...
    VERY SIMPLE, completely trash the "public schools" and allow parents to make the decisions & either arrange for education or educate the brats at home, but if YOU can not care for your own of-spring, you should NOT have any!

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Menard_K View Post
    VERY SIMPLE, completely trash the "public schools" and allow parents to make the decisions & either arrange for education or educate the brats at home, but if YOU can not care for your own of-spring, you should NOT have any!
    I am sorry but I cannot support that. I am quite Libertarian in many of my social views, but to allow the closing of public school is not anything I could support.

    I have seen, first hand, people that had nothing.... zero... and they were able to overcome that by, first, getting an education in public schools. Education is something that greatly benefits the entire community. I have no beef whatsoever that my tax dollars go towards education, even though I have no school age children.
    As a dreamer of dreams and a travellin' man, I have chalked up many a mile.
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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Home schooling on the X-box they buy with their SSI checks.
    Home schooling? WTH does that have to do with keeping kids in public schools longer?

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