View Poll Results: Sould the drop out grade be lowered

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Thread: Minimum drop out age

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by JJB3333 View Post
    Ok so i would just like to ask something tha has been bugging me. Sould the drop our grade be lowered.I mean of course i accept that all kids should have an education, but why are we wasting money on so many kids who dont want to be there. We should have it so that say from 9th grade, if the kids want to drop out and riun their lifes, it is their choice. if the parents dont want them to, they can force them to stay in school, but you have all of these kids who are failing classes, ditching, sometimes even going to drugs, and we waste money putting them through year after years of school.

    So question: should the drop out grade be lowered from 11th grade
    Considering that most States have age requirements of 16-18 the grade angle is mute.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    So we keep kids who will not learn if you pay them in school or reform school until they reach your arbitrary date? What are the positive societal benefits of that?
    Where are these kids that wont learn?

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Where are these kids that wont learn?
    Home schooling on the X-box they buy with their SSI checks.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Home schooling on the X-box they buy with their SSI checks.
    and the ones who just flat out ditch

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    the positive benefit is that everyone has some minimal level of education. i can't see how that concept is even remotely controversial.
    Because people who do not value education are not going to be educated. If they grow up in a world where a check arrives in the mail once a month, they might very well see no need for an education.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i don't doubt that you are correct. i'm arguing that not letting kids drop out before a minimal level of education would have positive societal benefits.
    The issue with "not letting them drop out" is that at some point there comes a time where it is a point of diminishing return.

    I was an educator in the military. I have thousands of hours teaching various sbjects. I used to have a sign over my desk that said "I can teach a frog to do a back flip... provided the frog WANTS to do a back flip"

    If a person gets to the point where s/he no longer cares to learn, no amount of effort will change that. Any effort beyond that is a waste of finite resources for no appreciable gain.
    Setting an arbitrary age to drag that person to school, and take time away from others that actually want to learn, is somewhat foolish, but necessary. The hard part is knowing where that line is.... 11th grade? 8th? 3rd? I think the 11th is fairly realistic.
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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Personally, I think a requirement that kids reach a specific level of education before leaving school is a good idea.
    Obviously with exceptions for children who cannot, for one reason or another.

    I feel that being trained to a basic level of competence in various areas is an overall positive. That said, I probably wouldn't agree with some of the things being taught, and would suggest additional areas.

    For example, I think kids need a decent understanding of how to run their own finances
    I agree to that to a point as well. I would like to see a more "life lesson" centered curricula.
    Budgeting, loans and credit cards, nutrition, cooking… those things that were taught in the old “Home Ec” classes.

    But, I also feel that an academic education is not always the way to go. A kid that has no chance or desire to ever go to college should be able to take a Vocational route instead of English Lit. In the long run, learning a trade is much more effective than learning about Beowulf or The Canterbury Tales
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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Because people who do not value education are not going to be educated. If they grow up in a world where a check arrives in the mail once a month, they might very well see no need for an education.
    and letting them drop out of high school, a minimal level of education, breaks this cycle?

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    The issue with "not letting them drop out" is that at some point there comes a time where it is a point of diminishing return.

    I was an educator in the military. I have thousands of hours teaching various sbjects. I used to have a sign over my desk that said "I can teach a frog to do a back flip... provided the frog WANTS to do a back flip"

    If a person gets to the point where s/he no longer cares to learn, no amount of effort will change that. Any effort beyond that is a waste of finite resources for no appreciable gain.
    Setting an arbitrary age to drag that person to school, and take time away from others that actually want to learn, is somewhat foolish, but necessary. The hard part is knowing where that line is.... 11th grade? 8th? 3rd? I think the 11th is fairly realistic.
    and i think 12th grade is fairly realistic. we are only one year apart. what is the problem with requiring citizens to complete 12 years of school?

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    and letting them drop out of high school, a minimal level of education, breaks this cycle?
    You are not going to break the cycle. The best you can do is move them out of the way of those who want to learn.

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