View Poll Results: Who would you like to see as the republican nominee, select all that apply

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  • Paul Ryan

    10 12.35%
  • Rand Paul

    25 30.86%
  • Ted Cruz

    15 18.52%
  • Marco Rubio

    10 12.35%
  • Chris Christie

    36 44.44%
  • Scott Walker

    6 7.41%
  • Jeb Bush

    10 12.35%
  • Jon Huntsman

    15 18.52%
  • Alan Keyes

    2 2.47%
  • Other

    17 20.99%
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Thread: For Non Democrats Only: Who Would You Like To See Win The 2016 Republican Primary

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    Re: For Non Democrats Only: Who Would You Like To See Win The 2016 Republican Primar

    Jeb Bush is still active in politics? Hmmm, didn't know.
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    Re: For Non Democrats Only: Who Would You Like To See Win The 2016 Republican Primar

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Ideological purity is not a noble goal.
    What a bunch of whoo wee. There are several types of conservatives alone within the Republican partyl Paleo conservatives, social conservatives, neo conservatives, fiscal conservatives. Stopping the trampling of the Constitution and restoring its first principles is a noble goal.
    Last edited by vesper; 11-12-13 at 12:36 AM.

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    Re: For Non Democrats Only: Who Would You Like To See Win The 2016 Republican Primar

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Do you eat your Baloney with mayo?

    You know there is a real threat in expanding your tent to the point you no longer stand for anything and that is exactly what is wrong with the moderates in the party.
    I don't eat baloney. Roast beef, pastrami, thousand island sauce, pickles. Otherwise, hot sauce and bbq sauce rule my world.

    Oh we stand for things (at least I do). Some of what I stand for is radical Left, some of it is right-wing authoritarian, some of it is liberal, some of it is socially conservative, much of it is skeptical. Moderates come in all shapes and sizes, but there is probably one thing we can agree on: we need to get more votes. Purity is fantastic at the coffee table, but it makes for stupid politics.
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    Re: For Non Democrats Only: Who Would You Like To See Win The 2016 Republican Primar

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    I was impressed by Huntsman, ESPECIALLY his ability to speak Chinese. However, he was made fun of in his own party for knowing that language. (Some Republicans are suspicious of academic prowess and foreign knowledge.) I didn't think that Huntsman had the oomph, the charisma to win a nat'l election, though. But maybe the country is ready for someone low key. (I doubt it, tho.)

    Herman Caine is a joke, IMO. His 9-9-9 plan was funny, but that's all. He wasn't a very knowledgeable man, didn't seem particularly intelligent, and didn't communicate well (except to repeat 9-9-9 a lot). He was the comic relief in the primary.
    Then you should be tickled pink it has been discovered that it was Jon Huntsman who leaked all the alleged personal **** about Herman Caine that ended his candidacy. Yes that sweet billionaire Mormon did that! LOL.

    Your daily jolt: Jon Huntsman leaks brought down Herman Cain | Political Insider | www.ajc.com

    But let's not stop there, Huntsman because he is a billionaire and his wealthy daddy funded 59% his campaign when it got strapped for cash while touting he wouldn't take federal funds like the other candidates. Like everyone is a billionaire! Ha. What a joke!

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    Re: For Non Democrats Only: Who Would You Like To See Win The 2016 Republican Primar

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    But let's not stop there, Huntsman because he is a billionaire and his wealthy daddy funded 59% his campaign when it got strapped for cash while touting he wouldn't take federal funds like the other candidates. Like everyone is a billionaire! Ha. What a joke!
    Oh no, a wealthy Presidential candidate. What ever will we do?
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    Re: For Non Democrats Only: Who Would You Like To See Win The 2016 Republican Primar

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I don't eat baloney. Roast beef, pastrami, thousand island sauce, pickles. Otherwise, hot sauce and bbq sauce rule my world.

    Oh we stand for things (at least I do). Some of what I stand for is radical Left, some of it is right-wing authoritarian, some of it is liberal, some of it is socially conservative, much of it is skeptical. Moderates come in all shapes and sizes, but there is probably one thing we can agree on: we need to get more votes. Purity is fantastic at the coffee table, but it makes for stupid politics.
    So what you are saying is you are experiencing an identity crisis?

    No one is talking purity except you and another leftist. If we had the potential to be "pure" we would have no need for government at all now would we?

    But it is when the individual forgets that government is to be in a limited form for the purpose of protecting your rights is where the whole thing implodes. Too many have forgotten that basic fact.

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    Re: For Non Democrats Only: Who Would You Like To See Win The 2016 Republican Primar

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    So what you are saying is you are experiencing an identity crisis?
    Nope, I'm quite comfortable in my orientation.

    But it is when the individual forgets that government is to be in a limited form for the purpose of protecting your rights is where the whole thing implodes. Too many have forgotten that basic fact.
    That's not a basic fact. We've had individualism compete with communitarianism in this country since it's foundations and both had more than their fair share of reign. For some reason a lot of folks ignore that to make it convenient.
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    Re: For Non Democrats Only: Who Would You Like To See Win The 2016 Republican Primar

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Nope, I'm quite comfortable in my orientation.



    That's not a basic fact. We've had individualism compete with communitarianism in this country since it's foundations and both had more than their fair share of reign. For some reason a lot of folks ignore that to make it convenient.
    Individualism was a basis for federalists and anti-federalists in all their writings. You see they knew what tyranny looked liked. It was fresh in their minds the sacrifices they endured to break away from it. And the emphasizes for individualism for the most part throughout the first 120 years was ever present...... until Woodrow Wilson, Progressive extraordinaire and closet socialist decided to implement a web of federal government agencies where the elites like himself would tell everyone else what was best for them. And Big F-ing Government was born!

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    Re: For Non Democrats Only: Who Would You Like To See Win The 2016 Republican Primar

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Individualism was a basis for federalists and anti-federalists in all their writings. You see they knew what tyranny looked liked. It was fresh in their minds the sacrifices they endured to break away from it. And the emphasizes for individualism for the most part throughout the first 120 years was ever present...... until Woodrow Wilson, Progressive extraordinaire and closet socialist decided to implement a web of federal government agencies where the elites like himself would tell everyone else what was best for them. And Big F-ing Government was born!
    Individualism to the Federalists in the Federalist Party typically meant a great deal differently than it did to the anti-Federalists and the Federalist supporters that joined the Democratic-Republican Party.

    And the emphasizes for individualism for the most part throughout the first 120 years was ever present...... until Woodrow Wilson, Progressive extraordinaire and closet socialist decided to implement a web of federal government agencies where the elites like himself would tell everyone else what was best for them.
    Well, aside from the fact that the real emphasis on individualism grew to its apex during the Gilded Age.....you have a point in that Jacksonian Democracy continued to influence America long after the man passed. It still nevertheless had to compete with communitarian principles of law and regulation quite frequently.

    Strange, since Woodrow Wilson is widely known to have introduced your concept of individualism to a much larger extent than Roosevelt, Taft, or La Follette were ever comfortable doing. All you have to do is start with the man's own writing some years before he was a candidate. Afterward, you get a sense of it with his rather vague definition of New Freedom, as opposed to the New Nationalism. Has someone by chance been influenced by the Beckian revivalism of looking at the Progressive era?
    Last edited by Fiddytree; 11-12-13 at 01:36 AM.
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    Re: For Non Democrats Only: Who Would You Like To See Win The 2016 Republican Primar

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Individualism to the Federalists in the Federalist Party typically meant a great deal differently than it did to the anti-Federalists and the Federalist supporters that joined the Democratic-Republican Party.



    Well, aside from the fact that the real emphasis on individualism grew to its apex during the Gilded Age.....you have a point in that Jacksonian Democracy continued to influence America long after the man passed. It still nevertheless had to compete with communitarian principles of law and regulation quite frequently.

    Strange, since Woodrow Wilson is widely known to have introduced your concept of individualism to a much larger extent than Roosevelt, Taft, or La Follette were ever comfortable doing. All you have to do is start with the man's own writing some years before he was a candidate. Afterward, you get a sense of it with his rather vague definition of New Freedom, as opposed to the New Nationalism. Has someone by chance been influenced by the Beckian revivalism of looking at the Progressive era?
    The basis of Wilson's whole political theology was never based in individualism but collectivism. Has someone not read Wilson's unpublished manuscripts leading up to his election? Has someone not studied the Progressive era where the Socialist Party was very open at that time so much so that the first socialist was elected to Congress from Wisconsin? And a man by the name of Eugene Debs, a socialist, listed on many ballots across this country representing the Socialist party on multiple occasions during the Progressive erA. But oddly (NOT REALLY) after the election of Woodrow Wilson, the Socialist party seem to disappear and the reason...they found a friend in the Democrat party.

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