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Thread: Realities of Carbon Dioxide?

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    Realities of Carbon Dioxide?

    Long, tedious read, but necessary to form opinion to answer the OP question. Thank you.

    Capitalism and the Destruction of Life on Earth: Six Theses on Saving the Humans

    Capitalism and the Destruction of Life on Earth: Six Theses on Saving the Humans

    Capitalism and the Destruction of Life on Earth: Six Theses on Saving the Humans

    "In the early 1960s, CO2ppm concentrations in the atmosphere grew by 0.7ppm per year. In recent decades, especially as China has industrialized, the growth rate has tripled to 2.1ppm per year. In just the first 17 weeks of 2013, CO2 levels jumped by 2.74ppm compared to last year -- "the biggest increase since benchmark monitoring stations high on the Hawaiian volcano of Mauna Loa began taking measurements in 1958."[1] Carbon concentrations have not been this high since the Pliocene period, between 3 million and 5 million years ago, when global average temperatures were 3 degrees or 4 degrees Centigrade hotter than today, the Arctic was ice-free, sea levels were about 40 meters higher, jungles covered northern Canada and Florida was under water - along with coastal locations we now call New York City, London, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Sydney and many others.
    Crossing this threshold has fueled fears that we are fast approaching "tipping points" - melting of the subarctic tundra or thawing and releasing the vast quantities of methane in the Arctic sea bottom - that will accelerate global warming beyond any human capacity to stop it: "I wish it weren't true, but it looks like the world is going to blow through the 400-ppm level without losing a beat," said Scripps Institute geochemist Ralph Keeling, whose father, Charles, set up the first monitoring stations in 1958: "At this pace, we'll hit 450 ppm within a few decades.""

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    1. CAPITALISM IS, OVERWHELMINGLY, THE MAIN DRIVER OF PLANETARY ECOLOGICAL COLLAPSE
    From climate change to resource overconsumption to pollution, the engine that has powered three centuries of accelerating economic development revolutionizing technology, science, culture and human life itself is today a roaring, out-of-control locomotive mowing down continents of forests, sweeping oceans of life, clawing out mountains of minerals, drilling, pumping out lakes of fuels, devouring the planet's last accessible resources to turn them all into "product" while destroying fragile global ecologies built up over eons.
    Between 1950 and 2000 the global human population more than doubled from 2.5 billion to 6 billion. But in these same decades, consumption of major natural resources soared more than sixfold on average, some much more. Natural gas consumption grew nearly twelvefold, bauxite (aluminum ore) fifteenfold. And so on.[3]
    At current rates, Harvard biologist E.O Wilson says, "half the world's great forests have already been leveled, and half the world's plant and animal species may be gone by the end of this century." Corporations aren't necessarily evil - although plenty are diabolically evil - but they can't help themselves. They're just doing what they're supposed to do for the benefit of their shareholders. Shell Oil can't help but loot Nigeria and the Arctic and cook the climate. That's what shareholders demand.[4] BHP Billiton, Rio Tinto and other mining giants can't resist mining Australia's abundant coal and exporting it to China and India. Mining accounts for 19 percent of Australia's gross domestic product and substantial employment even as coal combustion is the worst driver of global warming. IKEA can't help but level the forests of Siberia and Malaysia to feed the Chinese mills building its flimsy, disposable furniture (IKEA is the third-largest consumer of lumber in the world). Apple can't help it if the cost of extracting the "rare earths" it needs to make millions of new iThings each year is the destruction of the eastern Congo - violence, rape, slavery, forced induction of child soldiers, along with poisoning local waterways. [5] Monsanto and DuPont and Syngenta and Bayer Crop Science have no choice but to wipe out bees, butterflies, birds and small farmers and extinguish crop diversity to secure their grip on the world's food supply while drenching the planet with their Roundups and Atrazines and neonicotinoids. [6] This is how giant corporations are wiping out life on Earth in the course of a routine business day. And the bigger the corporations grow, the worse the problems become.""

    "SOLUTIONS TO THE ECOLOGICAL CRISIS ARE BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS, BUT WE CAN'T TAKE THE NECESSARY STEPS TO PREVENT ECOLOGICAL COLLAPSE BECAUSE, SO LONG AS WE LIVE UNDER CAPITALISM, ECONOMIC GROWTH HAS TO TAKE PRIORITY OVER ECOLOGICAL CONCERNS OR THE ECONOMY WILL COLLAPSE AND MASS UNEMPLOYMENT WILL BE THE RESULT
    We all know what we have to do: suppress greenhouse gas emissions. Stop overconsuming natural resources. Stop the senseless pollution of the Earth, its waters and its atmosphere with toxic chemicals. Stop producing waste that can't be recycled by nature. Stop the destruction of biological diversity and ensure the rights of other species to flourish. We don't need any new technological breakthroughs to solve these problems. Mostly, we just stop doing what we're doing. But we can't stop because we're all locked into an economic system in which companies have to grow to compete and reward their shareholders and because we all need the jobs."

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    Re: Realities of Carbon Dioxide?

    You summed it up perfectly...

    ...in the first 3 words.

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    Re: Realities of Carbon Dioxide?

    Sorry, didn't read the whole thing. Just too much hog wash and bull**** to wade through.
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    Re: Realities of Carbon Dioxide?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Long, tedious read, but necessary to form opinion to answer the OP question. Thank you.

    Capitalism and the Destruction of Life on Earth: Six Theses on Saving the Humans

    Capitalism and the Destruction of Life on Earth: Six Theses on Saving the Humans

    Capitalism and the Destruction of Life on Earth: Six Theses on Saving the Humans

    "In the early 1960s, CO2ppm concentrations in the atmosphere grew by 0.7ppm per year. In recent decades, especially as China has industrialized, the growth rate has tripled to 2.1ppm per year. In just the first 17 weeks of 2013, CO2 levels jumped by 2.74ppm compared to last year -- "the biggest increase since benchmark monitoring stations high on the Hawaiian volcano of Mauna Loa began taking measurements in 1958."[1] Carbon concentrations have not been this high since the Pliocene period, between 3 million and 5 million years ago, when global average temperatures were 3 degrees or 4 degrees Centigrade hotter than today, the Arctic was ice-free, sea levels were about 40 meters higher, jungles covered northern Canada and Florida was under water - along with coastal locations we now call New York City, London, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Sydney and many others.
    Crossing this threshold has fueled fears that we are fast approaching "tipping points" - melting of the subarctic tundra or thawing and releasing the vast quantities of methane in the Arctic sea bottom - that will accelerate global warming beyond any human capacity to stop it: "I wish it weren't true, but it looks like the world is going to blow through the 400-ppm level without losing a beat," said Scripps Institute geochemist Ralph Keeling, whose father, Charles, set up the first monitoring stations in 1958: "At this pace, we'll hit 450 ppm within a few decades.""

    "
    1. CAPITALISM IS, OVERWHELMINGLY, THE MAIN DRIVER OF PLANETARY ECOLOGICAL COLLAPSE
    From climate change to resource overconsumption to pollution, the engine that has powered three centuries of accelerating economic development revolutionizing technology, science, culture and human life itself is today a roaring, out-of-control locomotive mowing down continents of forests, sweeping oceans of life, clawing out mountains of minerals, drilling, pumping out lakes of fuels, devouring the planet's last accessible resources to turn them all into "product" while destroying fragile global ecologies built up over eons.
    Between 1950 and 2000 the global human population more than doubled from 2.5 billion to 6 billion. But in these same decades, consumption of major natural resources soared more than sixfold on average, some much more. Natural gas consumption grew nearly twelvefold, bauxite (aluminum ore) fifteenfold. And so on.[3]
    At current rates, Harvard biologist E.O Wilson says, "half the world's great forests have already been leveled, and half the world's plant and animal species may be gone by the end of this century." Corporations aren't necessarily evil - although plenty are diabolically evil - but they can't help themselves. They're just doing what they're supposed to do for the benefit of their shareholders. Shell Oil can't help but loot Nigeria and the Arctic and cook the climate. That's what shareholders demand.[4] BHP Billiton, Rio Tinto and other mining giants can't resist mining Australia's abundant coal and exporting it to China and India. Mining accounts for 19 percent of Australia's gross domestic product and substantial employment even as coal combustion is the worst driver of global warming. IKEA can't help but level the forests of Siberia and Malaysia to feed the Chinese mills building its flimsy, disposable furniture (IKEA is the third-largest consumer of lumber in the world). Apple can't help it if the cost of extracting the "rare earths" it needs to make millions of new iThings each year is the destruction of the eastern Congo - violence, rape, slavery, forced induction of child soldiers, along with poisoning local waterways. [5] Monsanto and DuPont and Syngenta and Bayer Crop Science have no choice but to wipe out bees, butterflies, birds and small farmers and extinguish crop diversity to secure their grip on the world's food supply while drenching the planet with their Roundups and Atrazines and neonicotinoids. [6] This is how giant corporations are wiping out life on Earth in the course of a routine business day. And the bigger the corporations grow, the worse the problems become.""

    "SOLUTIONS TO THE ECOLOGICAL CRISIS ARE BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS, BUT WE CAN'T TAKE THE NECESSARY STEPS TO PREVENT ECOLOGICAL COLLAPSE BECAUSE, SO LONG AS WE LIVE UNDER CAPITALISM, ECONOMIC GROWTH HAS TO TAKE PRIORITY OVER ECOLOGICAL CONCERNS OR THE ECONOMY WILL COLLAPSE AND MASS UNEMPLOYMENT WILL BE THE RESULT
    We all know what we have to do: suppress greenhouse gas emissions. Stop overconsuming natural resources. Stop the senseless pollution of the Earth, its waters and its atmosphere with toxic chemicals. Stop producing waste that can't be recycled by nature. Stop the destruction of biological diversity and ensure the rights of other species to flourish. We don't need any new technological breakthroughs to solve these problems. Mostly, we just stop doing what we're doing. But we can't stop because we're all locked into an economic system in which companies have to grow to compete and reward their shareholders and because we all need the jobs."

    Does the problem seem insurmountable?

    Do you believe it?

    Can you help?

    Do you want to help?

    Was this worth reading?


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    Re: Realities of Carbon Dioxide?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
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    Corrupt and tyrannical governments are the "main driver" of ecologic destruction. Saddam killed the deep sea coral on purpose, drained the marsh for genocide, light the oil, etc. China is another example. When those directly affected by environmental degradation are without voice in its authority, things get bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    You summed it up perfectly...

    ...in the first 3 words.
    That was just a warning to prepare interested readers. It is a problem of such complexity that it can not be adequately addressed in few words. Although lengthy, the article summed up the driving forces behind the problem without indicting the causative agents as criminals. A realistic approach. An objective approach. Non partisan. A de facto "KABOOM!", Don't you think?

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    Re: Realities of Carbon Dioxide?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    That was just a warning to prepare interested readers. It is a problem of such complexity that it can not be adequately addressed in few words. Although lengthy, the article summed up the driving forces behind the problem without indicting the causative agents as criminals. A realistic approach. An objective approach. Non partisan. A de facto "KABOOM!", Don't you think?
    An e-unabomb.

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    Re: Realities of Carbon Dioxide?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Corrupt and tyrannical governments are the "main driver" of ecologic destruction. Saddam killed the deep sea coral on purpose, drained the marsh for genocide, light the oil, etc. China is another example. When those directly affected by environmental degradation are without voice in its authority, things get bad.
    WRONG! The normal, standard operating procedure governments are the causative factors. It is the nature of the system of Capitalism/Corporatism and until that issue is addressed, no progress will be made. The smoke is not being blown up your arse, but into the atmosphere. That would be the atmosphere about 3 miles usably high/thick for human habitation. A thin wispy existence, don't you think? Do you have any greenhouses in Africa? How about a little CO2.

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    Re: Realities of Carbon Dioxide?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    WRONG! The normal, standard operating procedure governments are the causative factors. It is the nature of the system of Capitalism/Corporatism and until that issue is addressed, no progress will be made. The smoke is not being blown up your arse, but into the atmosphere. That would be the atmosphere about 3 miles usably high/thick for human habitation. A thin wispy existence, don't you think? Do you have any greenhouses in Africa? How about a little CO2.
    In the case of CO2 (most of the so called science on it is a lot of conjecture and unproven BS), non-capatilist are responsible for the most environmental damage in the world. Of course, when you live in non-capitalist societies, every one is so poor the cannot actually afford anything, so of course they put off less air pollution per person.

    So come on everyone, lets save the environment by slaughtering millions and millions of our fellow humans, subject them to abject poverty, starvation and slavery with a living standard not really any higher than a hunter-gatherer cave man. Join the socialist now and save the environment.
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