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Thread: Realities of Carbon Dioxide?

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    Re: Realities of Carbon Dioxide?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Not nearly as bad, look at all of the examples.
    Right,

    Now why is that?

    In places that are relatively free/democratic, the people want the government to place regulations on PRIVATE business, and themselves to limit the environmental pollution at extra financial costs to the PRIVATE business and to themselves.
    In China, only large examples of civil unrest can cause the government to act regarding pollution like a large protest in Dalian China a few years ago preventing the opening of a chemical plant
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    Re: Realities of Carbon Dioxide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Right,

    Now why is that?

    In places that are relatively free/democratic, the people want the government to place regulations on PRIVATE business, and themselves to limit the environmental pollution at extra financial costs to the PRIVATE business and to themselves.
    And in places where people have no voice the government business operates without any regulation.

    In China, only large examples of civil unrest can cause the government to act regarding pollution like a large protest in Dalian China a few years ago preventing the opening of a chemical plant
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    Re: Realities of Carbon Dioxide?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    My plants would love it. Assuming I have enough nutrients in the soil and adequate water supply, they would grow very rapidly by adding more CO2. Plants just love the stuff, cannot get enough of it.
    Your plants love it because it raises the temperature in your greenhouse. I don't think people WANT to believe that Global Warming is real and that colors their ability to perceive objective analysis. Perhaps including yourself.

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    Re: Realities of Carbon Dioxide?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Your plants love it because it raises the temperature in your greenhouse. I don't think people WANT to believe that Global Warming is real and that colors their ability to perceive objective analysis. Perhaps including yourself.
    Actually they grow better because the take in CO2 and give off O2. CO2 is the same to plants as Oxygen is to animals.

    But what the heck, the ppm concentration of CO2 has risen by 26.06% from 1960 to present. The average temperature has risen by 5.07%. Why exactly are they not rising by the same amount if one is the direct result of the other?
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    Re: Realities of Carbon Dioxide?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Actually they grow better because the take in CO2 and give off O2. CO2 is the same to plants as Oxygen is to animals.

    But what the heck, the ppm concentration of CO2 has risen by 26.06% from 1960 to present. The average temperature has risen by 5.07%. Why exactly are they not rising by the same amount if one is the direct result of the other?
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    Re: Realities of Carbon Dioxide?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Your plants love it because it raises the temperature in your greenhouse. I don't think people WANT to believe that Global Warming is real and that colors their ability to perceive objective analysis. Perhaps including yourself.
    That betrays you, shows you don't know what you're talking about here. Generating and adding in extra CO2 to a greenhouse has nothing whatsoever to do with temperature. CO2 is one of the two ingredients for photosynthesis.

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    Re: Realities of Carbon Dioxide?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That betrays you, shows you don't know what you're talking about here. Generating and adding in extra CO2 to a greenhouse has nothing whatsoever to do with temperature. CO2 is one of the two ingredients for photosynthesis.
    No it betrays you. Everyone knows plants breathe CO2. When you raise the CO2 levels in greenhouses, and do not change heat inputs, the temperature rises because of the transmittance changes for different wavelengths of the electromagnetic spectrum from the sun caused by the increased CO2. It is assumed that atmospheric containment (you know, the nitrogen, oxygen, CO2 and other gases) on our planet is just another large greenhouse and the effects will be the same. Only the size is different. The scale. Scale up, bubba.

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    Re: Realities of Carbon Dioxide?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I see. You conclude that if their are two obstacles in front of you, you will only see one. Very Texan of you. One big obstacle.
    What are you taking about?

    Global climate change people keep pointing to CO2 as the cause. If it was the sole cause, the the rise in one would directly correlate to the rise in the other. There would not be a 21% difference between the two. That 21% difference pretty much confirms that man-made CO2 is not the only factor, in fact, it pretty much proves that it may not even be the majority causal factor.

    As to your greenhouse demonstration. It simply doesn't work that way. Because of the exchange between CO2 and O2 from the plants, you would have to, depending on the number of plants and their size, keep adding massive amounts of C02 to even keep a certain level of concentration because the plants would be continuously scrubbing CO2 from the air.

    Further, you attempt to link the rise in CO2 to only corporate activities. Without consumer demand, the corporations wouldn't put out any CO2. Do corporations exist to make a profit, sure. They make that profit by providing products and services to the customers. No product, no consumers, no corporation. People drive cars, people heat their houses, people cook their food, hell, people breath in oxygen and breath out CO2, every animal on the planet does it. From 1960 to 2010, the worlds population has increased by 125.33%, that alone is going to cause some rise in CO2, just from them breathing, if of course we don't have a equal increase in CO2 use by plants.
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    Re: Realities of Carbon Dioxide?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Actually they grow better because the take in CO2 and give off O2. CO2 is the same to plants as Oxygen is to animals.

    But what the heck, the ppm concentration of CO2 has risen by 26.06% from 1960 to present. The average temperature has risen by 5.07%. Why exactly are they not rising by the same amount if one is the direct result of the other?
    A few potential reasons

    The amount of energy that is being reflected back instead of escaping is not linear in nature regarding the effects of CO2 (I do not know if this is true)

    The amount of particulate matter that has been introduced into the atmosphere has increased, reducing the amount of energy that is being transmitted into the earths atmosphere, causing the temperature to be lower. On a global level I do not know the answer but the particulate matter that China is producing is massive, NA and Europe have decreased the amount they produce, so I am unsure if the total level is higher or lower

    The energy being emitted by the sun has decreased over that time frame.

    If I am not mistaken no scientist denies that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, or that increased amounts of it will cause an increase in temperature. That of course is in relation to the other factors that could cause the temperature to increase or decrease
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    Re: Realities of Carbon Dioxide?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    What are you taking about?

    Global climate change people keep pointing to CO2 as the cause. If it was the sole cause, the the rise in one would directly correlate to the rise in the other. There would not be a 21% difference between the two. That 21% difference pretty much confirms that man-made CO2 is not the only factor, in fact, it pretty much proves that it may not even be the majority causal factor.

    As to your greenhouse demonstration. It simply doesn't work that way. Because of the exchange between CO2 and O2 from the plants, you would have to, depending on the number of plants and their size, keep adding massive amounts of C02 to even keep a certain level of concentration because the plants would be continuously scrubbing CO2 from the air.

    Further, you attempt to link the rise in CO2 to only corporate activities. Without consumer demand, the corporations wouldn't put out any CO2. Do corporations exist to make a profit, sure. They make that profit by providing products and services to the customers. No product, no consumers, no corporation. People drive cars, people heat their houses, people cook their food, hell, people breath in oxygen and breath out CO2, every animal on the planet does it. From 1960 to 2010, the worlds population has increased by 125.33%, that alone is going to cause some rise in CO2, just from them breathing, if of course we don't have a equal increase in CO2 use by plants.
    No one said it was the only factor.
    To test Greenhouse gases, one would control conditions such as the number and size of plants to give the data validity. As I stated, this was done in the 1800s and is not a new phenomena.
    If you had read the link, you would know that the last paragraph is explained in the narrative. Blame is distributed accordingly, not criminally, and the fact that what must be done to rectify the problem with a heavy impact on corporations is acknowledged. Consumerism is the problem, even if it is the current lifeblood of world economies at this time. It's just about the recognition of realities, like it or not.

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