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Thread: Realities of Carbon Dioxide?

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    Re: Realities of Carbon Dioxide?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Corrupt and tyrannical governments are the "main driver" of ecologic destruction. Saddam killed the deep sea coral on purpose, drained the marsh for genocide, light the oil, etc. China is another example. When those directly affected by environmental degradation are without voice in its authority, things get bad.
    China is not an example of tyrannical governments being the main driver of ecological destruction. The pollution in China is being driven from economic expansion in the search of profit and wealth. No pollution controls are being placed on power plants or cars leading to large amounts of particulate matter in the air. The dumping of waste, toxic or otherwise is being done in rivers, or the ocean because it is cheaper and the government is not stopping the practice, as the EPA does in the US. For ecological destruction in China the part the government generally takes part in is mega projects like the 3 gorges dam, or nuke plants
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    Re: Realities of Carbon Dioxide?

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    Re: Realities of Carbon Dioxide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    China is not an example of tyrannical governments being the main driver of ecological destruction. The pollution in China is being driven from economic expansion in the search of profit and wealth. No pollution controls are being placed on power plants or cars leading to large amounts of particulate matter in the air. The dumping of waste, toxic or otherwise is being done in rivers, or the ocean because it is cheaper and the government is not stopping the practice, as the EPA does in the US. For ecological destruction in China the part the government generally takes part in is mega projects like the 3 gorges dam, or nuke plants
    If the people of China had political power, they would not breath smog. The env violations are government approved.

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    Re: Realities of Carbon Dioxide?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    In the case of CO2 (most of the so called science on it is a lot of conjecture and unproven BS), non-capatilist are responsible for the most environmental damage in the world. Of course, when you live in non-capitalist societies, every one is so poor the cannot actually afford anything, so of course they put off less air pollution per person.

    So come on everyone, lets save the environment by slaughtering millions and millions of our fellow humans, subject them to abject poverty, starvation and slavery with a living standard not really any higher than a hunter-gatherer cave man. Join the socialist now and save the environment.
    I didn't see any links to verify one iota of what you stated. Could you suffer from a partisan ecological bigotry or lack of data input? Add a little CO2 to your greenhouse and see what happens, or read from works published in the 1800s what will happen. It ain't rocket science.

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    Re: Realities of Carbon Dioxide?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    If the people of China had political power, they would not breath smog. The env violations are government approved.
    Not so much as approved as any regulations that exist are ignored at state and local levels. The regulations are fairly minimal to begin with. The government in China's case is not causing the pollution, it is just not doing anything to limit it or prevent it. It is the companies (private and state owned) that are causing the pollution in the drive for making money.
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    Re: Realities of Carbon Dioxide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Not so much as approved as any regulations that exist are ignored at state and local levels. The regulations are fairly minimal to begin with. The government in China's case is not causing the pollution, it is just not doing anything to limit it or prevent it. It is the companies (private and state owned) that are causing the pollution in the drive for making money.
    The Chinese have no human, civil, labor or environmental rights. That's the problem. Blaming an element of tyrannical exploitation is addressing a symptom instead of source. In Iran, one could blame religion. But the source of the problem is tyranny.

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    Re: Realities of Carbon Dioxide?

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    Re: Realities of Carbon Dioxide?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The Chinese have no human, civil, labor or environmental rights. That's the problem. Blaming an element of tyrannical exploitation is addressing a symptom instead of source. In Iran, one could blame religion. But the source of the problem is tyranny.
    Environmental pollution can occur in countries that are relatively free and those that are effected by the environmental regulation will can that enforcement tyranny. How many in the US call the EPA tyrannical for enforcing environmental regulations. In the case of the US, and in general china environmental pollution is the result of seeking profit. Companies do not want extra pollution controls because of the cost, they will avoid those extra costs as much as they can, if they can bypass or ignore regulations they will. The changes in environmental regulation over the last 30 years in the US and Canada have been large, chemical waste is controlled and disposed of properly (in most cases) when in the past it was dumped where ever they could. The ground water at the company I work at is contaminated from chemicals dumped 20 years ago. I can detect it on the floors of the plant despite the fact it has not been in the plant for 15 years at least. That was not caused by the government being tyrannical, but because dumping the waste in the back was the cheapest method of disposal
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    Re: Realities of Carbon Dioxide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Environmental pollution can occur in countries that are relatively free
    Not nearly as bad, look at all of the examples.

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    Re: Realities of Carbon Dioxide?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I didn't see any links to verify one iota of what you stated. Could you suffer from a partisan ecological bigotry or lack of data input? Add a little CO2 to your greenhouse and see what happens, or read from works published in the 1800s what will happen. It ain't rocket science.
    My plants would love it. Assuming I have enough nutrients in the soil and adequate water supply, they would grow very rapidly by adding more CO2. Plants just love the stuff, cannot get enough of it.
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