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"I have bent over backwards to work with the Republican Party," ROTFLOL...

I have bent over backwards to work with the Republican Party

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zimmer said:
ROTFLOL...

How many times did Obama meet with Republicans leaders?

Were you around during the Harry Reid Government Shutdown? Such outreach and bending over backwards from all in the Demokrat leadership... I'd hate to see what they're like when they're using political hatchetery.
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Do you remember in the first term when he sat down with Republicans and told McCain something like I won, you lost, get over it.

That set the tone.

Obama wasn't willing to listen to an idea from the Republicans.
 
shrubnose said:
Anyone who takes a look at history will agree that it's a total waste of time to try to work with today's GOP on anything.
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What, you mean like welfare reform? :roll:


You can do it. You just have to be willing to negotiate (which the President has said he won't do) and compromise (which he doesn't appear willing to do, either).
 
cpwill said:
What, you mean like welfare reform? :roll:


You can do it. You just have to be willing to negotiate (which the President has said he won't do) and compromise (which he doesn't appear willing to do, either).
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stop trying to kill welfare under the guise of reform, and tell us what you really want, not to reform welfare but kill the entire system outright.
 
ecofarm said:
If you spent all your time bending over for the Republican party, you'd get tired too.
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When Obama bends over, he gets the Incognito treatment..
 
What are the examples of "bending over backwards"?
 
zimmer said:
You had a Conservative moniker, but you often sounded like a RINO at best.
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I think the GOP will one day attain its ideological purity. When that day comes I think hardline conservatives are going to recognize the value that moderate Republicans contributed to the party before they were given a disparaging moniker like RINO and they became fed up enough to leave. Once Obama is gone and there is no unifying force of hate, then people will see the hardline conservatives for what they are. A bunch of angry old men who want everyone to believe their "it is my way or the highway" approach is good for the country.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
stop trying to kill welfare under the guise of reform, and tell us what you really want, not to reform welfare but kill the entire system outright.
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:roll: You're going to have to start making that idiotic accusation to people who don't know better and don't spend their free time and effort trying to figure out how to actually help our poor, as opposed to much of our current social safety net, which often harms our poor in the guise of rendering them aid.

We reformed welfare in a bipartisan way in the 90's and it was a roaring success because a Democrat President was willing to work with Congressional Republicans. It would have been easy as falling off a log to have thrown in a small change here or there to pick up an Olympia Snowe type character for Obamacare - and they didn't. Why? :shrug: because they had the votes among Democrats, and figured they didn't need Republicans.
 
zimmer said:
"I have bent over backwards to work with the Republican Party,"
Barack Hussein Obama
How Obama Blew the Entire Last Year - NationalJournal.com​

I just about fell out of the chair when I read that one... ROTFLOL

Anyone here believe that whopper?
Anyone?

I might have believed it if it came from John McCain's mouth... but barely...

ROTFLOL...

Add another whopper to the other whoppers.
Pretty soon he'll have sold billions and billions of Whoppers! As there's still a lot of suckers out there.

I think he really wanted to say... I wanted to bend the republicans over backwards... but he didn't have the telepromteur there and blew his line (no pun intended).
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The one thing this president has not done is to try to reach across the aisle to someone from the other party he could work with. Eisenhower had LBJ when he was president and LBJ majority leader of the senate to come over to the white house at least three time a week. JFK and LBJ worked very closely with Everett Dirksen, then the Republican minority leader of the senate. Reagan and Democratic Speaker Tip O'Neil working together is famous. Even Clinton reach across the aisle to Gingrich, Hastert and Lott in the Senate to work on his agenda. I can't remember either bush II or Obama reaching across the aisle to anyone.

I thought he might take a page from President Clinton's book who after the Democrats lost the congress in 1994 reached across the aisle for help to continue his agenda. It did look that might be the case in December of 2010 when the repeal of DADT, the START treaty was signed and the Bush tax cuts extended. But come January that ended abrutly when Obama need to do something like this the most. Perhaps his first two years with huge majorities in each chamber convinced he did need to cooperate or reach across the aisle. He should have known better.
 
zimmer said:
Maggie, I like you, I really do, but there were times I could only shake my head. You had a Conservative moniker, but you often sounded like a RINO at best.

There is no "new Conservative", just as there is no "very Conservative" You're either a Conservative, embracing conservatism, or you're not. We all won't agree n everything, but there is enough that binds; Limited Government, Low Taxes, Liberty, Equality under the law, strong national defense, secure borders. The difference is how to achieve it, and how to defeat The Socialists and their perverted ideology.

Me, I prefer to take them head on and expose their lies for what they are; mock and ridicule their idiocy at every turn possible. It's the only way I can see that works... electro-shock them enough with the truth and hope a few snap out of their blind funk.

You see, you're honest. I like that. I think your lean is pretty spot on right now. The Conservatives didn't leave you, you never were one. One day, I hope you do embrace Conservatism unabashedly.
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Define "conservative."
 
SBu said:
Define "conservative."
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I can give you the three tenets that defined traditional conservatism, but none of them apply to the conservatives of today. It is like the liberals of today have nothing in common with what is known as Clasic Liberalism. I classify myself as a Goldwater conservative, which is way different than the conservatism of today. But here you go.

1. Staying free of foreign alliances and entanglements, basically isolationism. But this does not mean being a pasifist. A tradidtional conservative would go to war if our national security is threaten or in case of a foreign invasion.
2. Fiscal Responsibility - This means more than just low taxes. It means a balance budget where spending matches revenues. I one has to rasie taxes to accomplish the balance, fine. If one has to cut spending to obtain the balance between spending and revenue, fine, do it. Or it could be a combination of both. But the bottom line is the balance, spending matching revenues.
3. Small Government - A government that stays out of a citizens private business and lives.

The so called conservatives of today fail all three tenets of a traditional conservative. The last ture traditional conservative pressident was Calvin Coolidge.
 
MaggieD said:
Don't count my vote. I thought you were asking about me. I changed my lean from conservative to moderate a while back because the "new conservativism" doesn't fit me anymore. I think I've 'bent over backwards' because I'd been donating money to the party. I've stopped.

Stop harping on abortion. It's legal. Get over it. If states want to regulate it time-wise, I'm not opposed. But abortion rights are never going away. Find a compromise on immigration reform for Mexicans. And, let's be honest, that's what it's all about anyway. Mexicans. Find a compromise on something that will guarantee we're rooting out welfare fraud. I saw a black woman on television yesterday that has seven children all being supported on welfare. We are paying to destroy our country...to bring little liberals into the world who will lack education and all, in one way or another, looking for the (nonexistant) Obamaphone. Tackle public pensions. Reform the tax codes.

Republicans are hardly speaking for me anymore. Vote Democratic? They're not even talking the same language.
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MaggieD, this will never happen. What we are witnessing is mainly a generational fight. The scared old people will die off and things will moderate again in the next ten year or so. Until then, this will be our politics.
 
zimmer said:
"I have bent over backwards to work with the Republican Party,"
Barack Hussein Obama
How Obama Blew the Entire Last Year - NationalJournal.com​

I just about fell out of the chair when I read that one... ROTFLOL

Anyone here believe that whopper?
Anyone?

I might have believed it if it came from John McCain's mouth... but barely...

ROTFLOL...

Add another whopper to the other whoppers.
Pretty soon he'll have sold billions and billions of Whoppers! As there's still a lot of suckers out there.

I think he really wanted to say... I wanted to bend the republicans over backwards... but he didn't have the telepromteur there and blew his line (no pun intended).
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Bwahahaha. Considering one person has reneged their vote (because they misunderstood the question), and considering this forum leans right, I would say your idea that it is a whopper just went down the drain.
 
cpwill said:
:roll: You're going to have to start making that idiotic accusation to people who don't know better and don't spend their free time and effort trying to figure out how to actually help our poor, as opposed to much of our current social safety net, which often harms our poor in the guise of rendering them aid.

We reformed welfare in a bipartisan way in the 90's and it was a roaring success because a Democrat President was willing to work with Congressional Republicans. It would have been easy as falling off a log to have thrown in a small change here or there to pick up an Olympia Snowe type character for Obamacare - and they didn't. Why? :shrug: because they had the votes among Democrats, and figured they didn't need Republicans.
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Arghhh, if I hear that one more time I'm going to puke. I guess Jesus had it all wrong when he told us to take care of the poor - he should have told us, don't help them, because you make them dependent. :roflmao:
 
zimmer said:
ROTFLOL...

How many times did Obama meet with Republicans leaders?

Were you around during the Harry Reid Government Shutdown? Such outreach and bending over backwards from all in the Demokrat leadership... I'd hate to see what they're like when they're using political hatchetery.
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After the way the GOP dicked him over the last time he negotiated with them, I don't blame the Democrats one bit for not negotiating with those assholes about the shutdown.
 
Perotista said:
The one thing this president has not done is to try to reach across the aisle to someone from the other party he could work with. Eisenhower had LBJ when he was president and LBJ majority leader of the senate to come over to the white house at least three time a week. JFK and LBJ worked very closely with Everett Dirksen, then the Republican minority leader of the senate. Reagan and Democratic Speaker Tip O'Neil working together is famous. Even Clinton reach across the aisle to Gingrich, Hastert and Lott in the Senate to work on his agenda. I can't remember either bush II or Obama reaching across the aisle to anyone.

I thought he might take a page from President Clinton's book who after the Democrats lost the congress in 1994 reached across the aisle for help to continue his agenda. It did look that might be the case in December of 2010 when the repeal of DADT, the START treaty was signed and the Bush tax cuts extended. But come January that ended abrutly when Obama need to do something like this the most. Perhaps his first two years with huge majorities in each chamber convinced he did need to cooperate or reach across the aisle. He should have known better.
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Obama isn't a compromiser. I recall an interview with John Lott from 2008 when he spoke about Obama's time as a guest lecturer at Harvard; he only got the temp post because he was going to move on. Lott tried to engage him about guns and the 2nd amendment, and Obama turned his back on him and walked away. He said it was odd, as even though those on the faculty may disagree, they would talk and debate. Not Obama.

Obama in his first days told R's that they cannot listen to Limbaugh and expect to get things done. He was full of it when he said he was a uniter. He's a hard left radikal who will do anything to further the cause. He's not pragmatic, not a triangulator. Obama wants to shove his Socialist agenda down people's throats or up other orifices. I say good. He reveals what these folks really are willing to do... lie at any cost to further their agenda.

Buyer beware.
 
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zimmer said:
You want me to embrace a form of political heroin. Socialism is destructive, and you only have to look at what it has done to the fabric of this country. Lots of grey heroin has been consumed. Hasn't it done the country wonders?

17Trllion in debt, 60Trillion in unfunded liabilities... TRILLION dollar a year budgets under Obama, all due to Socialist Legislation.
Class warfare, hatred for corporations, and the last election showed... disdain for success!

What a wonderful grey heroin you serve.

And where does the Socialist want to cut? The military.

We cannot go on this way, and lucid adults need to steer the ship to safe waters... but the Socialists scream, and lie... at every turn. They want their grey or gray heroin. Their survival depends on it.

How much more grey heroin do we need? The Socialists never say... and it seems they want more.

And what about Obama the Contortionist? Bending over... ROTFLOL ... backwards... for who? Iran?
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Socialist. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
 
zimmer said:
You want me to embrace a form of political heroin.
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Actually I want you to stop the Heroin.

Socialism is destructive, and you only have to look at what it has done to the fabric of this country. Lots of grey heroin has been consumed. Hasn't it done the country wonders?

17Trllion in debt, 60Trillion in unfunded liabilities... TRILLION dollar a year budgets under Obama, all due to Socialist Legislation.
Class warfare, hatred for corporations, and the last election showed... disdain for success!

What a wonderful grey heroin you serve.

And where does the Socialist want to cut? The military.

We cannot go on this way, and lucid adults need to steer the ship to safe waters... but the Socialists scream, and lie... at every turn. They want their grey or gray heroin. Their survival depends on it.

How much more grey heroin do we need? The Socialists never say... and it seems they want more.

And what about Obama the Contortionist? Bending over... ROTFLOL ... backwards... for who? Iran?
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^^^oh lol.
 
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Kobie said:
Socialist. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Click on the link in my signature line. You'll find definitions within. I use it accurately.
Bothers you it seems. ROTFLOL... why s shy?
Be honest, embrace the fact you and others foment Socialist legislation.
 
zimmer said:
You must try harder and not rely on lame photos.
If I don't use it in the correct context, deconstruct it.

ROTFLOL... you know, use your brain.
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Lame photos? Have you ever seen the Princess Bride?
 
zimmer said:
Click on the link in my signature line. You'll find definitions within. I use it accurately.
Bothers you it seems. ROTFLOL... why s shy?
Be honest, embrace the fact you and others foment Socialist legislation.
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Wrong. Again. Keeping up your perfect record.
 
mertex said:
Arghhh, if I hear that one more time I'm going to puke.
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Well then you should make sure you avoid ever reading the social science or the stats, because that would risk your life.

I guess Jesus had it all wrong when he told us to take care of the poor - he should have told us, don't help them, because you make them dependent.
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Not at all. Jesus and the New Testament paint a wise and Godly approach to Charity - with defined lines drawn between that which is Gods and that which is Caesars. Where liberals get this wrong is that they appear to be incapable of imagining social action taking place outside of the federal government.
 
Perotista said:
I can give you the three tenets that defined traditional conservatism, but none of them apply to the conservatives of today. It is like the liberals of today have nothing in common with what is known as Clasic Liberalism. I classify myself as a Goldwater conservative, which is way different than the conservatism of today. But here you go.

1. Staying free of foreign alliances and entanglements, basically isolationism. But this does not mean being a pasifist. A tradidtional conservative would go to war if our national security is threaten or in case of a foreign invasion.
2. Fiscal Responsibility - This means more than just low taxes. It means a balance budget where spending matches revenues. I one has to rasie taxes to accomplish the balance, fine. If one has to cut spending to obtain the balance between spending and revenue, fine, do it. Or it could be a combination of both. But the bottom line is the balance, spending matching revenues.
3. Small Government - A government that stays out of a citizens private business and lives.

The so called conservatives of today fail all three tenets of a traditional conservative. The last ture traditional conservative pressident was Calvin Coolidge.
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I don't think that is what he means by "conservative." Using the terms like "conservative" and "liberal" to me doesn't make a lot of sense as most people are conservative on some things and liberal on others.

I do like how your three tenants don't foray into the convoluted world of social issues...which is where I think the Republicans need to stay out of in order to be viable in the future.
 
zimmer said:
ROTFLOL... I did say she wasn't a Conservative. She often sounded like a RINO. She embraced Socialism now and then. hence... not a Conservative. I'm happy she was honest about it and realized it. No crime there. I respect honesty, that's why I like Kucinich. I diagree with him, think his politics are moon bat, but he IS HONEST ABOUT THEM. Something most with a D beside their name aren't.

Now... good try, but go back and read what I wrote... I do believe I wrote... "We all won't agree on everything, but there is enough that binds; Limited Government, Low Taxes, Liberty, Equality under the law, strong national defense, secure borders. The difference is how to achieve it, and how to defeat The Socialists and their perverted ideology."

Nothing radical there. Just following the Constitution. Believing in Limited Government.
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I would define her as somewhat right of center - noting the center has moved to the left. But I suppose she can bandy over what words do and don't attach to her, huh?
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SBu said:
I don't think that is what he means by "conservative." Using the terms like "conservative" and "liberal" to me doesn't make a lot of sense as most people are conservative on some things and liberal on others.

I do like how your three tenants don't foray into the convoluted world of social issues...which is where I think the Republicans need to stay out of in order to be viable in the future.
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Actually, the third tenet is the one that says keep government out of social issues by stating private business and lives. The rise of the religious right in the late 70's early 80's put a mockery to the third tenet for conservatives as they wanted to use government to legislate their religious values on the rest of the nation. This is more statist and less small government.

Now if you look at most independents who do not affiliate themselves with the two major parties, most of them are fiscal conservative or should I say for fiscal responsibility and are socially liberal. Let the women choose when it comes to abortion etc. But are for a balanced budget where spending matches revenues and most believe it will take both an increase in taxes and cuts in spending to accomplish that. So as far as I am concerned, the terms conservative and liberal has changed so much that today they really do not mean much if anything. It nothing but a label attached to the two parties by themselves and the media when if the true meanings of each were applied, neither would be conservative or liberal.
 
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