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    Re: transgender love

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It's not a spur of the moment "I'm tired of wearing suits and ties, blouses and skirts for me!" with a little jaunt down to the old snip'n'tuck It's quite the process.
    I understand that. From what I have read it is a quite a struggle for many to get to a place where they chose surgery. Did I somehow appear unsympathetic to that to you? Or unaware that it is a very complicated procedure regardless of which gender you transition too?
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    Re: transgender love

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I understand that. From what I have read it is a quite a struggle for many to get to a place where they chose surgery. Did I somehow appear unsympathetic to that to you? Or unaware that it is a very complicated procedure regardless of which gender you transition too?
    Oh no, I apologize if that came off that way, I was just eager to use that line is all! The surgery is a beast, and many don't go that far because A: it's expensive and B: if it fails you're in a bad place.
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    Re: transgender love

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Oh no, I apologize if that came off that way, I was just eager to use that line is all! The surgery is a beast, and many don't go that far because A: it's expensive and B: if it fails you're in a bad place.
    No problem, I just didn't want to appear that way.

    I don't know about you but I like sex. I like it alot. It's complicated enough without nature throwing this crap at you. I can't imagine being in that place, feeling like your body contradicts how you see yourself. The emotional and physical hurdles are staggering. I feel for them.

    I also have no idea, in general, why other people give a **** about how others conduct their sexual lives. As long as you are not forcing anyone to participate why should anyone judge? Never got that
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    Re: transgender love

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    No problem, I just didn't want to appear that way.

    I don't know about you but I like sex. I like it alot. It's complicated enough without nature throwing this crap at you. I can't imagine being in that place, feeling like your body contradicts how you see yourself. The emotional and physical hurdles are staggering. I feel for them.

    I also have no idea, in general, why other people give a **** about how others conduct their sexual lives. As long as you are not forcing anyone to participate why should anyone judge? Never got that
    My compassion arose from knowing a transwoman, and having my eyes opened. I don't CARE what you do, it's the political agenda that goes with the LGBT movement that I think causes much of the consternation these days. Are there bigots but wipes out there? Yeah, they will ALWAYS be there. I think most of us on the Right have moved beyond "Sicko's!" to "Just... great you're (insert LGBT label that applies here) here, awesome, wonderful... we really don't care."
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    Re: transgender love

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    My compassion arose from knowing a transwoman, and having my eyes opened. I don't CARE what you do, it's the political agenda that goes with the LGBT movement that I think causes much of the consternation these days. Are there bigots but wipes out there? Yeah, they will ALWAYS be there. I think most of us on the Right have moved beyond "Sicko's!" to "Just... great you're (insert LGBT label that applies here) here, awesome, wonderful... we really don't care."
    I agree. I think there is a lot of negative labeling that Cons and Libs impose on one another unfairly. I am curious though. What is the political agenda that goes along with it in your opinion and how is that agenda problematic? If you don't mind.
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    Re: transgender love

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I agree. I think there is a lot of negative labeling that Cons and Libs impose on one another unfairly. I am curious though. What is the political agenda that goes along with it in your opinion and how is that agenda problematic? If you don't mind.
    What we see a "militant gay agenda". Stuff like this:
    Nightmare at Franklin
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    Wednesday, November 8, 2006

    Emer O'Shea knew something was wrong the minute she picked up her daughter from Franklin Elementary School. The third-grader was normally very perky upon seeing her mother and new baby sister, but this time she glanced at her mother without indicating what was wrong, except to say that the school's social worker had visited the class. But Emer soon heard from another parent about what had happened in her daughter's class that day, and she was both stunned and mortified. The next day her young daughter finally opened up with a question that would baffle most parents of an 8-year-old child, "Mommy, is it possible for a man to have an operation to become a woman?"

    Transgenders and transvestites. These were the topics that a staff member at Franklin School in West Newton chose to teach to a class of third-grade children. The school's social worker described to the children that some men like to dress up as women, and yes, some men even have operations to change into women.
    Transgenderism in 3rd grade! (please excuse the source, it's a copy froma new site that removed the story).

    That bothers the hell out of us. Let kids be kids. Or saying trans is normal. I'm as pro-trans as you'll find, but normal, it ain't.

    Gay Marriage. Marriage is between a man and a woman, thus why gay marriage has such a hard time at the ballot box. I've ALWAYS stated a legal civil union with all the bennies of marriage, let that permeate and maybe in a decade or two people will be more accepting but well, we don't have that.

    (Granted there are militant religious and conservative pushes that exist and I'm not pleased with those either).
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    Re: transgender love

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Some of these transgender women look pretty hot but I just don't think I could ever have sex or fall in love with one. In the end they are still men no matter how the plumbing has been altered, well that's my opinion any way.
    I am not average in that I have known several TV/TS types(or whatever the in vogue terms are now) and have a hard time thinking of them in terms of what they where at one time. I don't think I would have a problem with having a relationship with a post-op, though I have never been tempted to either. I do think I might feel a little uncomfortable at first, but doubt that would last and don't think that would dissuade me.
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    Re: transgender love

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    What we see a "militant gay agenda". Stuff like this:

    Transgenderism in 3rd grade! (please excuse the source, it's a copy froma new site that removed the story).

    That bothers the hell out of us. Let kids be kids. Or saying trans is normal. I'm as pro-trans as you'll find, but normal, it ain't.

    Gay Marriage. Marriage is between a man and a woman, thus why gay marriage has such a hard time at the ballot box. I've ALWAYS stated a legal civil union with all the bennies of marriage, let that permeate and maybe in a decade or two people will be more accepting but well, we don't have that.

    (Granted there are militant religious and conservative pushes that exist and I'm not pleased with those either).

    I am not going to say your source is wrong as I cannot find confirmation or disproof of it. However, I have looked into a lot of similar stories and there tends to either be more to it, or they are flat out exaggerations/lies. Far more often than not, when something seems too outragious to be true, it probably isn't true. I cannot think of a TV or TS I have met that would think it is a good idea to discuss that aspect of themselves with elementary school kids. Your story, if true, is not representative of TS/TV views I do not think at all.
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    Re: transgender love

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    What we see a "militant gay agenda". Stuff like this:

    Transgenderism in 3rd grade! (please excuse the source, it's a copy froma new site that removed the story).

    That bothers the hell out of us. Let kids be kids. Or saying trans is normal. I'm as pro-trans as you'll find, but normal, it ain't.

    Gay Marriage. Marriage is between a man and a woman, thus why gay marriage has such a hard time at the ballot box. I've ALWAYS stated a legal civil union with all the bennies of marriage, let that permeate and maybe in a decade or two people will be more accepting but well, we don't have that.

    (Granted there are militant religious and conservative pushes that exist and I'm not pleased with those either).
    I won't argue the legitimacy of the story concerning the 3rd grader and I will say that I am certainly more protective of young children and the complications discussions about such things would no doubt create in their lives. But I think that conflict comes from the mixed messages when their is judgment and disapproval in their homes but support or tolerance being promoted in the classroom.

    I also think that our children are better served if they are taught to be tolerant of others. That mentality simply promises a life with less conflict; which is in their best interest. I suppose though that they will encounter opportunities for this lesson when they are older and little better equipped to form their own opinions.

    As for Gay marriage. I have to just flat out disagree with you there. The only reason to limit the definition, that I can see anyway, to being between a man and woman is because the staunchly conservative or religious are not comfortable with it; because it conflicts with their beliefs. That's just not a good enough reason to limit gay men and womens (or anyone's) access to have an actual marriage with their partner with all the silly romantic implications and legal benefits it carries with it.
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