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Could you have sex with a transgender

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MrVicchio said:
. Embrace the difference! But that's just me.
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However, I think there is a real difference between bigotry, intolerance and NOT supporting gay marriage.
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What is the difference here?

Personally I think demanding gay marriage be called a marriage is silly
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Why is it silly? And (now answer honestly) what if we changed what marriage is called for everyone? What if your marriage was now called a civil union? Would you feel like something was taken from you?
 
Gipper said:
Well then, why be against SSM? Economic or fiscal reasons? Will peace be threatened with its legality?

It sounds like the only reason you can come up with is terminology.
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Tradition? Belief that marriage is an institution built around a particular biological structure that time tested tends to work pretty well. What the hell do you call them? Man and Man? Woman and Wife? It's awkward for crying out loud :p There are reasons to be against "Gay Marriage". Mine is more I think having all the legal privileges of marriage (visiting rights in a hospital for example) outweigh a label and want the IMPORTANT things in place.
 
opendebate said:
What is the difference here?


Why is it silly? And (now answer honestly) what if we changed what marriage is called for everyone? What if your marriage was now called a civil union? Would you feel like something was taken from you?
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No, I wouldn't feel something was taken away from me. But I'm married to a woman, and we have children and are raising them thus the traditional purpose and reason for a marriage so I'd be just annoyed.

Maybe I find it odd, "I'm a GAY(insert here whatever, Cop, American, Banker, Teacher... whatever) We're Queer! We're Proud! Blah blah blah, we're different!" Then turn around and start a huge fight over not being the same as everyone else. I find THAT boggling. Did that... make sense?If I were gay, I wouldn't want to "Marry" a man, that's silly. I'd embrace being different. Gay isn't "normal", but not being "normal" isn't bad. Maybe I'm just different like that.
 
MrVicchio said:
Tradition? Belief that marriage is an institution built around a particular biological structure that time tested tends to work pretty well. What the hell do you call them? Man and Man? Woman and Wife? It's awkward for crying out loud :p There are reasons to be against "Gay Marriage". Mine is more I think having all the legal privileges of marriage (visiting rights in a hospital for example) outweigh a label and want the IMPORTANT things in place.
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Sorry, I need a better reason to be against something other than "it's awkward". If that's all it takes, then peeing in public should be a felony.
 
sangha said:
You are misunderstanding what has been said, again

I did not say that someone who opposes SSM is a bad person for not believing as I do.

What I said is that it demonstrates a lack of toleration for SSM.
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Why does one have to tolerate SSM by endorsing it? Can one disagree with SSM while not caring what two people otherwise do with their lives?
 
Gipper said:
Sorry, I need a better reason to be against something other than "it's awkward". If that's all it takes, then peeing in public should be a felony.
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You missed the :p That implied a moment of "light hearted" commentary.
 
Gipper said:
Oh, yeah I must've missed it. I'm still reading the uber-rage moment you had with Gina.
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I wasn't raging... I was mocking. I'm as cool as a cucumber friend.
 
MrVicchio said:
Why does one have to tolerate SSM by endorsing it? Can one disagree with SSM while not caring what two people otherwise do with their lives?
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There is a difference between "acceptance" and "tolerance"

Thinking it is wrong or immoral (ie not accepting) it is not, by itself, intolerant.

Using the force of the law to prevent anyone from entering a SSM is intolerant.

Do you understand the difference between thinking something is wrong, and thinking it should be illegal?
 

traditional purpose and reason for a marriage
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Do I really even need to respond to this? You know, I'm certain, that the "reason and purpose" for marriage has changed significantly over time. Your definition has value because it has personal relevance based on your history and experience. You are insisting however that everyone adopt YOUR version but what gives it such authority?

Maybe I find it odd, "I'm a GAY(insert here whatever, Cop, American, Banker, Teacher... whatever) We're Queer! We're Proud! Blah blah blah, we're different!" Then turn around and start a huge fight over not being the same as everyone else. I find THAT boggling. Did that... make sense?If I were gay, I wouldn't want to "Marry" a man, that's silly. I'd embrace being different. Gay isn't "normal", but not being "normal" isn't bad. Maybe I'm just different like that.
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The fight is not over not being the same and really, they didn't start it. The fight is over being excluded for no other reason then that it is in conflict with YOUR beliefs and those in opposition started it when they shut them out. Can you see that?
 
MrVicchio said:
I don't disagree with that. However, I think there is a real difference between bigotry, intolerance and NOT supporting gay marriage. One can have a stance against, say gay marriage and it have very little to nothing to do with hate or intolerance. If you make it harder for those folks to defend their position, say with a civil union process where a gay family is more ubiquitous in everyday life then the more intolerant jerks will lose an ally and the whole thing falls apart for them. Personally I think demanding gay marriage be called a marriage is silly. Embrace the difference! But that's just me.
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traditional purpose and reason for a marriage
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Do I really even need to respond to this? You know, I'm certain, that the "reason and purpose" for marriage has changed significantly over time. Your definition has value because it has personal relevance based on your history and experience. You are insisting however that everyone adopt YOUR version but what gives it such authority?

Maybe I find it odd, "I'm a GAY(insert here whatever, Cop, American, Banker, Teacher... whatever) We're Queer! We're Proud! Blah blah blah, we're different!" Then turn around and start a huge fight over not being the same as everyone else. I find THAT boggling. Did that... make sense?If I were gay, I wouldn't want to "Marry" a man, that's silly. I'd embrace being different. Gay isn't "normal", but not being "normal" isn't bad. Maybe I'm just different like that.
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The fight is not over not being the same and really, they didn't start it. The fight is over being excluded for no other reason then that it is in conflict with YOUR beliefs and those in opposition started it when they shut them out. Can you see that?

I think I screwed this up the first time I posted so I reposted.
 
ChrisL said:
Well, Asian women are naturally usually quite petite. They aren't really known for big hips and big breasts.
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And that is why I have never been attracted to Asian women...

"I..... Like big butts and I cannot lie...."
 
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