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  • Richard Milhouse Nixon

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Thread: Obama vs. Nixon

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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    How about the estimated 2.5 million killed after the fall of South Vietnam? I still remember the refugees fleeing from South Vietnam, even though most seem to have forgotten them.
    You need to add 2-3 million Cambodian killed by Pol Pot and his Khmer Rouge out of a country of 7 million and another 500,000 Laotians killed by the Pathet Lao and their North Vietnamese helpers. Also the PL and NVA attempt to exterminate the Hmong tribe of northeaster Laos, genocide it is called. All ignored.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Obama's legacy is his trillions of dollars in government debt and his lies, lies, and more lies...

    US debt surges $328 billion in single day, surpassing $17 trillion for first time ? RT USA

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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    ALMOST no one.... except the 15,000 soldiers that died after he campaigned on "Peace with Honor"...
    Or how about the MASSIVE increase of SS that he gave that is one of the root causes of the unsustainable debt that we see today? That debt is not hurting anyone... Yet


    I am not an Obama fan by any stretch. But to say that Obama hurt more people than Nixon is pretty far fetched.
    Even all of the Nobel Peace Prize Winner's UAV strikes cannot compare to damage done by the escalation of VietNam.
    what lies are we talking about. Nixon didn't start the Vietnam war



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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    How did the "You can keep your plan" kill anybody?

    Oh, that's right, it didn't. Yeah, see my post about partisan hacks.
    I thought his lies were covering up the death of our ambassador

    losing one's plan sure affects more people than watergate did unless you want to blame him for four years of Carter incompetence



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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    How did the "You can keep your plan" kill anybody?

    Oh, that's right, it didn't. Yeah, see my post about partisan hacks.
    I think this is a post quite indicative of the True Believer. Similar to the jackals that protected Damien in The Omen. Ferocious defense at all costs.

    There were two parts to the OP concerning Obama; Benghazi and ObamaKare.

    I had great cancer doctors and health insurance. My plan was cancelled. Now I worry how long I'll live.
    A Stage-4 Gallblader Cancer Survivor Says: I Am One of ObamaCare's Losers - WSJ.com
    There is much mental anguish from millions of Americans who are losing coverage and their Doctors. The Obama Death Panel will result in deaths and suffering. Government systems are ideal breeding grounds for it.

    Obama's policies for the Embassy in Benghazi resulted in dead Americans; he lied about it. Americans died, Obama lied.

    The (Sinister) One.
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    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    A liar is a liar, but Nixon takes the cake in the "sinister" department.
    Obama is just a smooth-talking mediocrity caught in the web of his party's unworkable policies.
    Now, Nixon truly was a "transformational figure": from his disastrous economic policies to his cynical "Southern strategy", we are still living with dire consequences of his actions.
    You just described Obama, just leave out the "Southern strategy" stuff
    Liberals - Punish the Successful, Reward the Unsuccessful
    Liberals - Tax, Borrow, Spend, and Give Free Stuff
    Obama's legacy - President Donald Trump

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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    ...Nixon truly was a "transformational figure"... we are still living with dire consequences of his actions.
    That is true. We have Nixon to thank for giving us Jimmy Carter.

    Just think of all the great stuff that happened due to Jimmy's Iran policy! Jimmy Obama is on the verge of letting them have nukes!

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    Can you say "Death to America"?

    Jimmy the Great... Thankful Obama is an even bigger failure than he was, and to ensure the cellar position, is a pathological liar to boot!
    The Clintons are what happens...
    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    If Obama truly believes he is helping people by lying , then he isn't as bad as Nixon. I however feel the reality of the situation is that Obama is going to hurt more people in the end.

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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Hmm. The war was winnable if we were willing to win it. The shame about Vietnam is when we first became involved, our goal was a stalemate, not winning. If those from JFK on had listened to Eisenhower and McArthur about getting into another land war in Asia, Vietnam would have never happened. Twice Eisenhower refused to involve our troops there during his tenure.

    But you are wrong about Collateral Damage not being of concern, lots of valid military tagets in and around Hanoi and Haiphong were not attacked because of the concern of civilian casualities and collateral damage. In Cambodia even with Sihanouk in charge, Nixon asked for approval to bomb to eastern enclaves of the NVA. The North Vietnamese had always insisted they had no troops there. Sihanouk also knew that the NVA in that region had forced all Cambodians out of their areas of control, supply depots and sanctuaries. Sihanouk gave his tacit approval by saying something akin to, "How can you bomb something that is not there."

    The meaning was since the NVA wasn't there, per the North Vietnamese, the bombing wouldn't be actually taking place since America wasn't bombing something that wasn't there.

    Nixon never did invade Laos as he did with troops into Cambodia for those couple of months with the blessing of the then Cambodian president Lon Nol.
    So, if we had "won" in Vietnam, what exactly would we have gotten to know that we accomplished something?

    From what I can see, Vietnam is making a lot of progress, they are a major sub-contractor for China, they're poor but improving and the think Americans are terrific (I can't get it but I'm sure there is a reasona obscura). So, if we had just never set foot in there knowing how bad the French got their asses kicked, and let it be Vietnam. How does their "capitalist communism" hurt us?

    Nixon gets credit for opening up China to normalization and that alone is a great credit. Obama gets credit for Gay Rights, and that might not be as dramatically important, it's still a huge leap forward.

    All Presidents do good and bad. Obama is an annoying disappointment to me. He;s a poor manager. He doesn't keep an eye on his appointees, which is why there are so many "scandals". You may think I'm full of crap, but if I were in charge at BATFE, there would never be a "Fast & Furious" or Benghazis. These are from piss-poor management (that seem to be political rewards) and it hurts him over and over. He never stops politicking and he's totally gotten on my nerves.

    Don't worry, I have plenty of criticisms of his predecessors, just staying on topic sort of.

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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Who is the more sinister liar?

    OBAMA

    Obama has been caught in multiple lies about ObamaKare. He lied about keeping your plan, and he lied about lying about keeping your plan. He lied about cost reduction, he lied and lied and lied. He's sorry. Awwwwwwwwwwww...

    Obama lied about Benghazi. Americans died, Obama/Clinton lied.

    NIXON
    Nixon lied about a 3rd-rate break-in he did not orchestrate. He lied, and left office.

    Nobody died from Nixon's lies.
    Nixon didn't lie in order to thieve 6% of the economy for his party's political purposes.
    Nixon also did not run guns to Mexico in an attempt to slash the 2nd Amendment... but let's stick to the two Whoppers Obama lied about and even Demokrats have heard about.

    Who is the more sinister liar?
    Obama wins hands down.
    To associate Obama with Nixon is an insult to Nixon. Obama is a liar in a league of his own. He even out does Felonious Bill Clinton.
    Compared to Obama Nixon is and Angel.
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