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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    That's a huge assumption. How long does it take to ID most murders and such? I think you're talking about more procedural stuff, and people connecting dots after the fact. (Obviously, let's ignore eye-witness accounts).

    Honestly, I feel very, very strongly (and again, I'm a person that has worked in this field for awhile now, and I have twice voted for Obama) that you're reaching to an absurd amount. There's gonna be many murders committed tonight, between you reading this and tomorrow morning, and like a third of them will be, for all intents and purposes, solved by the time we finish out coffee. They'll have a primary suspect and that primary suspect will be arraigned and probably convicted.

    That doesn't mean the police could've just prevented it, though. Not without people rightfully being up in arms about all the superfluous people and things that were also restricted in the pursuit of preventing that crime.
    Sometimes that happens. The case where the ex husband who has an order of protection against him, with repeated instances of the ex-wife calling 911 for him violating it, comes over late at night and finally kills her. We'll never know just how strong the warnings were that Bush ignored, but we do have it on good account that he did ignore many warnings.

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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Sometimes that happens. The case where the ex husband who has an order of protection against him, with repeated instances of the ex-wife calling 911 for him violating it, comes over late at night and finally kills her. We'll never know just how strong the warnings were that Bush ignored, but we do have it on good account that he did ignore many warnings.
    No, we do know. Some of us see these warnings basically daily. Some of us can go back and see the warnings from then.

    But now your entire argument is boiling down to "We can never know, but maybe it was a horrible and easily resolved error that led to this." That's just speculation. Speculation that I don't, at all, agree with. And I'm no real expert, but I do have a lot of experience, and compared to the vast majority of people in the US- to say nothing of the world- I'm basically an "expert".
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    No, we do know. Some of us see these warnings basically daily. Some of us can go back and see the warnings from then.

    But now your entire argument is boiling down to "We can never know, but maybe it was a horrible and easily resolved error that led to this." That's just speculation. Speculation that I don't, at all, agree with. And I'm no real expert, but I do have a lot of experience, and compared to the vast majority of people in the US- to say nothing of the world- I'm basically an "expert".
    My whole point is that those critical of Obama for Benghazi are ignoring Bush's failures for 911. If you blame Obama, you gotta blame Bush. Can't have it any other way.

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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    My whole point is that those critical of Obama for Benghazi are ignoring Bush's failures for 911. If you blame Obama, you gotta blame Bush. Can't have it any other way.
    I think the issue is that before 9/11 there were a handful of serious al Qaeda attacks on US forces. Afterward, there were multitudes more, and they were much more conventional in scale. To compare them- and I'm a defender of Obama and Benghazi- is simply not genuine.
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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Who is the more sinister liar?

    OBAMA

    Obama has been caught in multiple lies about ObamaKare. He lied about keeping your plan, and he lied about lying about keeping your plan. He lied about cost reduction, he lied and lied and lied. He's sorry. Awwwwwwwwwwww...

    Obama lied about Benghazi. Americans died, Obama/Clinton lied.

    NIXON
    Nixon lied about a 3rd-rate break-in he did not orchestrate. He lied, and left office.

    Nobody died from Nixon's lies.
    Nixon didn't lie in order to thieve 6% of the economy for his party's political purposes.
    Nixon also did not run guns to Mexico in an attempt to slash the 2nd Amendment... but let's stick to the two Whoppers Obama lied about and even Demokrats have heard about.

    Who is the more sinister liar?
    Obama wins hands down.
    To associate Obama with Nixon is an insult to Nixon. Obama is a liar in a league of his own. He even out does Felonious Bill Clinton.
    Yesssss, Nixon's acts in office were almost Obamian.

    I wonder who you think is worse? Only Obama Derangement Syndrome can make one think highly of Nixon by comparison.
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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Had fighter jets at the ready, for one. Another proactive plan would have had all nineteen hijackers arrested for immigration violations long before 911, just like they did the twentieth hijacker.
    We can't even catch the tens of thousands that stream into our country every year. And you want them to crack down on a random 19?

    Get real. I suppose you also scream about the PATRIOT Act and want Amnesty as well, right?
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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Perhaps. Where? Everywhere? For how many days in a row before liberal groups would be decrying the extra expenditures that could've been used elsewhere, with nothing to show for it (because he wouldn't have shown that report or the intel leading to it)?
    Besides, you can only be on "High Alert" for so long. Then you actually become less effective due to burnout.

    Trust me there, I remember being on "High Alert" for over a month, from mid-July to early September 1984. It was an absolute nightmare, but it had to be done. And we only had the random alerts and notifications that we always had, nothing really particular that stood out.

    Other then Munich 1972.

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    THey knew the 19 dudes were the hijackers within hours of the Towers being hit. This tells me they had enough information on them to hold them and thus could have proactively stopped 911, if only the defenders of liberty had been on the ball.
    No, look up Betty Ong.



    She was the flight attendant who called on the phone and identified to American Airlines what seats the hijackers had been sitting in. Then it was a simple matter to trace them all backwards.

    Nydia Gonzalez: Hey, Betty, do you know any information as far as the gents, the men that are in the cockpit with the pilots, were they from first class?

    Betty Ong: They were sitting in 2A and B.

    Nydia Gonzalez: They were sitting in 2A and B.

    A.A. Em. Line: Okay.
    Betty Ong - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Dude, I am going to get really sick of telling you this. But here it is again:

    Research, research, research. These are all well known facts, it is not really hard to do a little checking yourself you know.
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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    'sin·is·ter (sn-str)
    adj.
    1. Suggesting or threatening evil'

    sinister - definition of sinister by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.


    So which Prez, Obie's or Tricky's, lies are/were more threatening?

    This is a 'well duh' answer, imo...obviously it's Nixon.

    They both are/were horrible POTUS's, but ALL recent POTUS's are liars, imo.

    Obama lies to (ignorantly and wrongly) mold the country in his image.

    Nixon lied during Watergate strictly to further his career.

    The latter is a hundred times more 'sinister'.
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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Obama lies to (ignorantly and wrongly) mold the country in his image.

    Nixon lied during Watergate strictly to further his career.

    The latter is a hundred times more 'sinister'.
    Actually, maybe you need to learn the history of Watergate before you make such a charge.

    Now this incident did not happen at the bequest of President Nixon, it was done by the Committee for the Re-Election of the President, a PAC no different in structure then any other PAC. He did not know of this beforehand, and when notified of the foiled break-in, he was skeptical and thought it was the Democrats trying a trick. Then when he found out it was indeed people in a PAC he ordered his Chief of Staff to quietly find out "Who was the asshole who ordered it".

    What got Nixon in trouble was not the break-in, he had nothing to do with that. What he got in trouble for was the attempt to cover up what happened after the fact.

    Kinda like Benghazi, where the spin is trying to make it out to be something totally different then what it was and cover the President's backside.
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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    Actually, maybe you need to learn the history of Watergate before you make such a charge.

    Now this incident did not happen at the bequest of President Nixon, it was done by the Committee for the Re-Election of the President, a PAC no different in structure then any other PAC. He did not know of this beforehand, and when notified of the foiled break-in, he was skeptical and thought it was the Democrats trying a trick. Then when he found out it was indeed people in a PAC he ordered his Chief of Staff to quietly find out "Who was the asshole who ordered it".

    What got Nixon in trouble was not the break-in, he had nothing to do with that. What he got in trouble for was the attempt to cover up what happened after the fact.

    Kinda like Benghazi, where the spin is trying to make it out to be something totally different then what it was and cover the President's backside.
    You speak an awful lot of what Nixon knew.

    Where is your unbiased, FACTUAL proof that he knew NOTHING of what you say.

    The answer - there is none.

    There is no possible way for you to know what he really thought.


    I am well aware of the Watergate timeline.

    Nixon was apparently a paranoid individual about politics..many close to him have admitted as much.

    He was obsessed about re-election and obviously instilled that fear/anxiety into those around him that he must be re-elected at any cost.


    I doubt he ordered the operations.

    But I guarantee you he made it clear to Haldeman that he wanted to be re-elected at almost any cost and he left it to his No. 2 to carry out his wishes at his discretion.

    Listen to the Watergate tapes, no where did he freakout at Haldeman for instigating these operations...all they basically discussed was how stupid/badly managed some of them were and damage control.

    Haldeman ran the covert operations...that has been confirmed.

    Do you honestly believe that Nixon knew nothing of these massive ploys that his closest confidant was doing for years?

    Come on now...you surely cannot be that naive.

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