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Thread: Obama vs. Nixon

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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Wrong
    There's absolutely nothing wrong about what he said. And this is coming from a guy that voted for Obama twice.
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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    So you felt like you'd just blatantly tell a lie and hope it made your point?

    Or did you just purposely say something dumb as hell in order to be facetious? I mean, you can't believe that anyone should've responded at 8AM to anything on September 11th, 2001, can you? You just said something retarded on purpose, right?
    Communication with the first hijacked plane is lost by 8:15. Fighter jets never bothered intercepting it or the other three hijacked planes, the last of which hits the turf at 10:03. Fighter Jets are still hundreds of miles away, flying aimlessly somewhere in the DC area.

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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    There's absolutely nothing wrong about what he said. And this is coming from a guy that voted for Obama twice.
    He's there is. There is plenty of evidence cited here in this thread to indicate Bush and company should have known planes would be used...not to mention knowing that once four planes were hijacked that the game was on. Our boys in the Bush-Cheney WH were asleep at the switch.

    Not for the last time either. Katrina and the economic collapse were strike two and three. Again anyone criticizing Obama while giving Bush a pass is a partisan hack.

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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    I never said there were no mistakes. Some were pretty egregious. But to dump everything on Bush is a stretch. An even bigger stretch than to dump Benghazi on Obama. That was much more the fault of the SoS than the POTUS.

    BUT......................... it is interesting how this went from a A vs. B discussion and morphed into a "Oh yeah! well C is much worse!!!"
    And to bring it back on track...

    If you and other notice, I do not actually blame president Obama for Benghazi, but for his reaction to it after it happened.

    I think that inside the State Department and the Administration there came a serious "Oh shoot" moment, when they realized that all of the warnings they had ignored came true. But instead of pulling up their pants and going "Well, we goofed, let's not do it again", they circled the wagon and started to try and spin the story like crazy.

    More then anything else, that is what has pissed me off. I see that as no better then lying, and so far in his administration he has been responsible for nothing. Everything that has not gone perfectly has been the fault of somebody else. This is why I rate his honesty and integrity so low.
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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    He's there is. There is plenty of evidence cited here in this thread to indicate Bush and company should have known planes would be used...
    No, dude, there's seriously not.

    not to mention knowing that once four planes were hijacked that the game was on. Our boys in the Bush-Cheney WH were asleep at the switch.
    Can you show this at all?

    Not for the last time either. Katrina and the economic collapse were strike two and three. Again anyone criticizing Obama while giving Bush a pass is a partisan hack.
    Maybe. But that doesn't make Obama's failures real failures. I understand where you're coming from: Bush didn't **** up Katrina by his own hand, but he was negligent in dealing with the problem after it happened, and anyone who criticizes Obama for his likewise negligent- after the fact- dealing with issues is just being purposefully blind. I get that.

    I'm just saying that 9/11 isn't one of those times. At all.
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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    And to bring it back on track...

    If you and other notice, I do not actually blame president Obama for Benghazi, but for his reaction to it after it happened.

    I think that inside the State Department and the Administration there came a serious "Oh shoot" moment, when they realized that all of the warnings they had ignored came true. But instead of pulling up their pants and going "Well, we goofed, let's not do it again", they circled the wagon and started to try and spin the story like crazy.

    More then anything else, that is what has pissed me off. I see that as no better then lying, and so far in his administration he has been responsible for nothing. Everything that has not gone perfectly has been the fault of somebody else. This is why I rate his honesty and integrity so low.
    And to that I certainly agree... but in the scope of the original question, I find that the dishonesty from President Obama is quite pale in comparison to that of President Nixon.
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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    No, dude, there's seriously not.



    Can you show this at all?



    Maybe. But that doesn't make Obama's failures real failures. I understand where you're coming from: Bush didn't **** up Katrina by his own hand, but he was negligent in dealing with the problem after it happened, and anyone who criticizes Obama for his likewise negligent- after the fact- dealing with issues is just being purposefully blind. I get that.

    I'm just saying that 9/11 isn't one of those times. At all.
    Why do so many people give Bush a pass for 911?
    In the aftermath of 9/11, Bush officials attempted to deflect criticism that they had ignored C.I.A. warnings by saying they had not been told when and where the attack would occur. That is true, as far as it goes, but it misses the point. Throughout that summer, there were events that might have exposed the plans, had the government been on high alert. Indeed, even as the Aug. 6 brief was being prepared, Mohamed al-Kahtani, a Saudi believed to have been assigned a role in the 9/11 attacks, was stopped at an airport in Orlando, Fla., by a suspicious customs agent and sent back overseas on Aug. 4. Two weeks later, another co-conspirator, Zacarias Moussaoui, was arrested on immigration charges in Minnesota after arousing suspicions at a flight school. But the dots were not connected, and Washington did not react.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/op...ngs.html?_r=1&

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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Communication with the first hijacked plane is lost by 8:15. Fighter jets never bothered intercepting it or the other three hijacked planes, the last of which hits the turf at 10:03. Fighter Jets are still hundreds of miles away, flying aimlessly somewhere in the DC area.
    And NEADS was not informed until 8:37.

    Within 20 minutes we had 2 F-15s from Massachusetts scrambled and directed to New York City. They were directed to hold off of Long Island until they had a vector towards Flight 11. 9 minutes later Flight 175 hit the South Tower. At this time ATC (who was directing them) were not aware that Flight 11 had already crashed, and were only becoming aware that Flight 175 had also been hijacked.

    Flight 175 crashed into the South Tower only 10 minutes after being hijacked.

    So once again, you fail to understand the timeline, or connect it to the President at all. However, I am aware that your "Centrist" claim is a complete joke, there is nothing "Centrist" about you at all.

    And here we see a perfect example. If anything goes wrong, blame it on Bush.
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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Why do so many people give Bush a pass for 911?
    Because they know a lot more about the intelligence system than one article for the New York Times could "teach" them?

    I mean, what even about what you quoted could blame the Bush Administration?
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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    And NEADS was not informed until 8:37.

    Within 20 minutes we had 2 F-15s from Massachusetts scrambled and directed to New York City. They were directed to hold off of Long Island until they had a vector towards Flight 11. 9 minutes later Flight 175 hit the South Tower. At this time ATC (who was directing them) were not aware that Flight 11 had already crashed, and were only becoming aware that Flight 175 had also been hijacked.

    Flight 175 crashed into the South Tower only 10 minutes after being hijacked.

    So once again, you fail to understand the timeline, or connect it to the President at all. However, I am aware that your "Centrist" claim is a complete joke, there is nothing "Centrist" about you at all.

    And here we see a perfect example. If anything goes wrong, blame it on Bush.
    Well...Bush totally deserves blame for a lot, from blowing 911 and seeing WMD where they weren't to ignoring the demise of an American City after a hurricane and not getting ahead of the financial collapse.

    The plane that hit the Pentagon circled Washington while Bush read a children's story to a classroom full of first graders. That's pathetic. I know you want to protect your man, but I don't understand why.

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