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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    That's really stupid. It would make sense if Bush knew what was coming and told an effective response team to stand down
    You really live deep in the little Right Wing bubble. Don't you? That's a lot of denial for a supposed Ivy Leaguer.
    Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US was the President's Daily Brief prepared by the Central Intelligence Agency and given to U.S. President George W. Bush on Monday, August 6, 2001. The brief warned of terrorism threats from Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda 36 days before the September 11, 2001 attacks.

    The President's Daily Brief (PDB) is a brief of important classified information on national security collected by various U.S. intelligence agencies given to the president and a select group of senior officials. On August 6, 2001, the Central Intelligence Agency delivered a President's Daily Brief to President Bush, who was vacationing at his ranch in Crawford, Texas.

    The existence of the memo was secret until it was leaked in 2002.[2] CBS Evening News reported on the document on May 15.

    ...Former U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and General Richard Myers have stated that contrary to repeated claims,[4] the CIA's PDB did not warn the President of a specific new threat but "contained historical information based on old reporting".
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/op...ings.html?_r=0

    ...read in conjunction with the daily briefs preceding Aug. 6, the ones the Bush administration would not release. While those documents are still not public, I have read excerpts from many of them, along with other recently declassified records, and come to an inescapable conclusion: the administration’s reaction to what Mr. Bush was told in the weeks before that infamous briefing reflected significantly more negligence than has been disclosed. In other words, the Aug. 6 document, for all of the controversy it provoked, is not nearly as shocking as the briefs that came before it.

    The direct warnings to Mr. Bush about the possibility of a Qaeda attack began in the spring of 2001. By May 1, the Central Intelligence Agency told the White House of a report that “a group presently in the United States” was planning a terrorist operation. Weeks later, on June 22, the daily brief reported that Qaeda strikes could be “imminent,” although intelligence suggested the time frame was flexible.

    But some in the administration considered the warning to be just bluster. An intelligence official and a member of the Bush administration both told me in interviews that the neoconservative leaders who had recently assumed power at the Pentagon were warning the White House that the C.I.A. had been fooled; according to this theory, Bin Laden was merely pretending to be planning an attack to distract the administration from Saddam Hussein...

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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    THey whined incessantly about the attacks not being their fault starting on 9-12-2001.
    Wow, really? Quote please?

    Also he never tried to say the attacks never happened, or that they were something else, like some spontaneous reaction to some movie release.
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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    Wow, really? Quote please?

    Also he never tried to say the attacks never happened, or that they were something else, like some spontaneous reaction to some movie release.
    "They hate us for our Freedoms." Sound familiar?


    You people really do live deep down in the memory hole.

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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    LOL your sad attempt to justify the incompetence of the administration is hilarious. the Embassy is America. Our Military was prevented from Protecting AMERICA
    Our troops are also "America." Nixon had already lied about bringing Vietnam to a close, and almost 30,000 American soldiers were condemned to death in a pointless quagmire that brought us nothing after Paris.

    Even if we assume that Obama was irresponsible for what happened at Benghazi, it still doesn't compare to Nixon's act of sabotage at Paris. 30,000 > 4
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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    "They hate us for our Freedoms." Sound familiar?


    You people really do live deep down in the memory hole.
    Wow, really?

    That is all you can come up with?

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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    Wow, really?

    That is all you can come up with?

    Let's put it this way. Whining about Obama's 9-11 in Benghazi, an attack in a foreign country, while ignoring Bush's huge faux pas on September 11, 2001, which resulted in successful attacks in New York and Washington DC, is what makes the Right Wing such a joke to the sane ones among us.

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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Let's put it this way. Whining about Obama's 9-11 in Benghazi, an attack in a foreign country, while ignoring Bush's huge faux pas on September 11, 2001, which resulted in successful attacks in New York and Washington DC, is what makes the Right Wing such a joke to the sane ones among us.
    I am currently working in the military intel world. Every single day I get a product that states "imminent attack on an unknown FOB in XXX province, attack forces unknown, date unknown" so basically.... somewhere in an area the size of Texas, there will be an attack by someone, sometime...

    I am not excusing Bush. There was a lot of FAIL there.... BUT, missing an attack using a TTP (tactics/techniques/proceedure) that had no history, had no date, and covered an the entire US and all it's territories... is somewhat understandable. I see these reports every day... all day...

    99% of these intel report are garbage. The really good analysts are the ones that can find the fly poop in the pepper... Those guys should have been the ones advising the President in the days prior to 9/11. But still.... even those reports are all saying the same thing, Attack somewhere, sometime, of some type.
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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    I was gonna say that you guys all went full retard in the last page or two, basically going into the whole:

    OBAMA SUX!

    NO BUSH R DA SUX!


    idiot rants I was making fun of before, and maybe try to help all of you understand something, but Chiefgator beat me to the punch on the explanation:

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    I am currently working in the military intel world. Every single day I get a product that states "imminent attack on an unknown FOB in XXX province, attack forces unknown, date unknown" so basically.... somewhere in an area the size of Texas, there will be an attack by someone, sometime...

    I am not excusing Bush. There was a lot of FAIL there.... BUT, missing an attack using a TTP (tactics/techniques/proceedure) that had no history, had no date, and covered an the entire US and all it's territories... is somewhat understandable. I see these reports every day... all day...

    99% of these intel report are garbage. The really good analysts are the ones that can find the fly poop in the pepper... Those guys should have been the ones advising the President in the days prior to 9/11. But still.... even those reports are all saying the same thing, Attack somewhere, sometime, of some type.
    There's so many warnings every day: I mean I know most people aren't familiar with intelligence work, but don't highlight it by saying completely dumb things. So since Chief already took care of it, I'll just laugh at you guys for your stupid partisan bickering. Worthless people.
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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    I am currently working in the military intel world. Every single day I get a product that states "imminent attack on an unknown FOB in XXX province, attack forces unknown, date unknown" so basically.... somewhere in an area the size of Texas, there will be an attack by someone, sometime...

    I am not excusing Bush. There was a lot of FAIL there.... BUT, missing an attack using a TTP (tactics/techniques/proceedure) that had no history, had no date, and covered an the entire US and all it's territories... is somewhat understandable. I see these reports every day... all day...

    99% of these intel report are garbage. The really good analysts are the ones that can find the fly poop in the pepper... Those guys should have been the ones advising the President in the days prior to 9/11. But still.... even those reports are all saying the same thing, Attack somewhere, sometime, of some type.
    We weren't even prepared enough to send fighter jets after those hijacked airliners. Hours passed and nothing was done, even after the first jet hit the tower. The jet that eventually hit the Pentagon flew lazily around DC and we did not one thing. Total screw up on our (Bush's) part.

    The Benghazi faux pas is nothing compared to that. Hell, Boston was more of a screw up than Benghazi.

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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Hours passed and nothing was done, even after the first jet hit the tower.
    *blinks*



    Now I know we are dealing with somebody that has absolutely no connection with reality.

    No, it was not "hours", try 32 minutes (8:46) from the time of the first hijacking (8:14). And only 9 minutes form the time that NORAD was first told of the first hijacking (8:37). The aircraft were actually scrambling at the time of the first impact.

    You really do not research anything, do you? You just make things up as you go along, hoping that everybody will buy your Kool-Aid.
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