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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I guess you never heard the term AIR MOBILE
    You do know many embassies were attacked during Bush's watch. Correct?
    The State Department had warned of a potential strike against the Saudi days before gunmen infiltrated the Al Hamra Oasis Village and two others killing 36 people and wounding 160. This was the most devastating attack on a State Department employees to occur under Bush. The Saudi government cracked down on terrorists group but that did not prevent another attack to occur a year later in Jeddah.

    13 Benghazis Happened Under President Bush and Fox News Said Nothing - PolicyMic

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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    You do know many embassies were attacked during Bush's watch. Correct?
    we have any ambassador raped and murdered? Bush called back how many defensive counters?



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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    we have any ambassador raped and murdered? Bush called back how many defensive counters?
    Did we have any 9-11 like attacks under Obama?

    I didn't think so.

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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Did we have any 9-11 like attacks under Obama?

    I didn't think so.
    That's really stupid. It would make sense if Bush knew what was coming and told an effective response team to stand down



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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    I can point at a lot of Presidents I did not like, Carter, Clinton, Johnson, but at least most of them when things in their administration went bad they would stand up and take responsibility. As the sign on Harry Truman's desk said, "THE BUCK STOPS HERE".
    If Obama had a “The Buck Stops Here” sign, it would include an arrow pointing to a picture of President Bush.
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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Oh puh-lease. Save that rhetoric for your Fox News worshiping friends. Diplomatic outposts are not fortresses. If they were, they would not be very diplomatic.


    Sometimes keeping it real goes wrong...this was one of those times.
    But when they request more security, it is a good idea to actually listen to them instead of reducing the security they have.

    One signed by Stevens and titled “LIBYA’S FRAGILE SECURITY DETERIORIATES AS TRIBAL RIVALRIES, POWER PLAYS AND EXTREMISM INTENSIFY,” dated June 25, 2012, assess the increase in violence. ”From April to June, Libya also witnesses an increase in attacks targeting international organizations and foreign interests,” Stevens wrote, describing attacks on a United Nations official in Benghazi, International Committee for the Red Cross buildings in Benghazi and Misrata, and IED at the mission in Benghazi, and RPG fired at the British Ambassador’s convoy, and an attack on the consulate of Tunisia.
    Another cable from Stevens, titled “The Guns of August; security in eastern Libya” and dated August 8, 2012, states “Since the eve of the (July) elections, Benghazi has moved from trepidation to euphoria and back as a series of violent incidents has dominated the political landscape during the Ramadan holiday.” Stevens describes the incidents as “organized, but this is not an organized campaign.” The Supreme Security Council, the interim security force, he says, “has not coalesced into a stabilizing force and provides little deterrence.”
    A cable signed by Stevens on the day of his murder, September 11, described a meeting with the Acting Principal Officer of the Supreme Security Council in Benghazi, commander Fawzi Younis, who “expressed growing frustration with police and security forces (who were too weak to keep the country secure)…”

    The documents also included an “ACTION MEMO” for Under Secretary of State for Management Patrick Kennedy dated December 27, 2011, and written by US Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Jeffrey Feltman. With the subject line: “Future of Operations in Benghazi, Libya,” the memo states: “With the full complement of five Special Agents, our permanent presence would include eight U.S. direct hire employees.”
    One of the key conversations in the documents begins on February 11, at 5:29 pm, when Shawn Crowley, a foreign service officer at the U.S. Mission in Benghazi, writes: “Apologies for being a broken record, but beginning tomorrow Benghazi will be down to two agents…We have no drivers and new local guard contract employees have no experience driving armored vehicles…”

    On February 11, 1:13 pm, Regional Security Officer of the Libyan Embassy Eric Nordstrom emails State Department officials, cc-ing then-Ambassador Gene Cretz, saying he’ll try to send personnel from the Security Support Team to Benghazi. “I’ll speak with our SST personnel to se if they can free up 1 or 2 bodies for Benghazi….While the status of Benghazi remains undefined, DS” – Diplomatic Security – “is hesitant to devout (sic) resources and as I indicated previously, this has severely hampered operations in Benghazi. That often means that DS agents are there guarding a compound with 2 other DOS personnel present. That often means that outreach and reporting is non-existent.”

    Norstrom notes that the British have “a 5 person team assigned to just their head of mission, so they have made a commitment to maintain a larger presence in Benghazi than the USG,” the U.S. government.
    At 8:53 pm. James Bacigalupo, the Regional Director Near East Asia Bureau of Diplomatic Security DSS for the State Department, emails Nordstrom, “Call me, I am surprised at your statement that ‘DS is hesitant to devote resources as I (you) have indicated previously that has severely limited operations in Benghazi.’”

    Norstrom responds on Sunday, February 12: 8:58 pm “we have had multiple times previously had no movements in Benghazi because we had only 2 DS agents on the ground. Havingno movements for upwards for 10 days severely limits operations in Benghazi. I’ve been placed in a very difficult spot when the Ambassador tells me that I need to support Benghazi but can’t direct MSD” – Mobile Security Detachment – ” there and been advised that DS isn’t going to provide more than 3 DS agents over the long term.”
    This “normalization,” the GOP congressman write, “appeared to have been aimed at conveying the impression that the situation in Libya was getting better, not worse. The administration’s decision to normalize was the basis for systematically withdrawing security personnel and equipment – including a much-needed DC-3 aircraft – without taking into account the reality on the ground. In an interview with Mr. Nordstrom, he maintained that the State Department routinely made decisions about security in early 2012 without first consulting him.” The congressmen submit ten questions for the president to answer.
    Documents Back Up Claims of Requests for Greater Security in Benghazi - ABC News

    This is not "rhetoric", the Embassy had been screaming for months that they needed more security personnel, all requests were denied or ignored.

    A March 2012 memo (mistakenly cited as 2011) from the Research & Information Support Center titled “Progress Elusive in Libya,” based on open-source reporting, states that in late December 2011 “reports indicated that al-Qa’ida leadership in Pakistan had sent ‘experienced jihadists to Libya to build a new base of operations in the country. Between May and December 2011, one of these jihadists had recruited 200 fighters in the eastern part of the country. Documents seized in Iraq indicate that many foreign fighters who participated in the Iraqi insurgency hailed from eastern Libya. This small batch of fighters would have been dealt with quickly by a central authority, were it in place. Until a stronger national army or guard force is developed, rural Libya will remain fertile territory for terrorist groups such as al-Qai’da in the Islamic Maghreb.”
    When you find out that an enemy is massing troops, you do not lower your security or leave it at a shoestring level, you increase it. This is so simple it should not even need to be repeated. There was a threat, this threat was known at all levels, yet the Administration wanted to give the impression that things were "normalizing", and thought that sending in more security would look like we had no faith in the Libyan Government.

    Bad call, and people died for it. But they new the risk, that was their job and sometimes bad things happen.

    I accept that, as do many others. What I do not accept however is the Administration trying to cover it's butt by saying it was a riot over a movie, then covering it's butt by getting happy little minions to go around saying "nothing to see here, move along". It is this denial and passing the buck that pisses me off. Not that it happened, but that over a year later the Administration still acts like it had no idea there was a problem, and that they want people to believe they did everything they could.

    I accept mistakes, I don't accept this. Because over a year later they still want us to believe they could have done nothing to help prevent it.
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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    You do know many embassies were attacked during Bush's watch. Correct?
    And did the Administration then simply whine and cry and say it was not their fault, or did they act proactively and say they will try and prevent it from happening again?

    You still fail to realize it is not the attack that pisses so many of us off, it is the Administrations reaction before and after the attack.
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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    You do know many embassies were attacked during Bush's watch. Correct?
    I know there were bombs that were set off outside of the walls of American embassies and even some assaults within the embassy boundaries but no successful attack upon the embassies.

    It's interesting, but I guess it's liberal revisionism now if a car bomb goes off on the streets outside of an American embassy it's now considered to be a successful attack against America embassy.

    But for some reason, the attack upon the American consulate in Benghazi was all about a YouTube video.
    Really nothing to be laughing about. But the Obama administration laughed it off, didn't they just to get Barack reelected at only the cost of four Americans.
    ###### unbelievable and they got away with it and the MSM again gave Obama a complete pass even though blood flowed.

    ###### unbelievable.

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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I know there were bombs that were set off outside of the walls of American embassies and even some assaults within the embassy boundaries but no successful attack upon the embassies.

    It's interesting, but I guess it's liberal revisionism now if a car bomb goes off on the streets outside of an American embassy it's now considered to be a successful attack against America embassy.

    But for some reason, the attack upon the American consulate in Benghazi was all about a YouTube video.
    Really nothing to be laughing about. But the Obama administration laughed it off, didn't they just to get Barack reelected at only the cost of four Americans.
    ###### unbelievable and they got away with it and the MSM again gave Obama a complete pass even though blood flowed.

    ###### unbelievable.
    Well, conservative revisionism tells us that "Bush kept us safe."

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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    And did the Administration then simply whine and cry and say it was not their fault, or did they act proactively and say they will try and prevent it from happening again?

    You still fail to realize it is not the attack that pisses so many of us off, it is the Administrations reaction before and after the attack.
    THey whined incessantly about the attacks not being their fault starting on 9-12-2001.

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