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Thread: Obama vs. Nixon

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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I think this is a post quite indicative of the True Believer. Similar to the jackals that protected Damien in The Omen. Ferocious defense at all costs.
    Kinda like this...



    I always find it funny that the Democrats constantly screamed about "Nixon's Enemies List", then just yawn and scream "fake scandal" when the current administration does the exact same thing with the IRS. I look at the "Fake IRS Scandal", and see nothing but the hated "Enemies List II", but this one acceptable to Democrats.

    So if one was an "Ultimate Evil", then how can the other simply be ignored and swept under the rug? Unless your only concern is that it is used by your side instead of against it?

    And much the same with other incidents. Libya is another example, if this kind of cover-up had been done by President Bush, we would already be in Impeachment Hearings. But it is the Anointed One, so it is another "Fake Scandal".

    I realize that the President like all before him is only human. And as such, he and his advisors sometimes make bad calls. Benghazi is such a bad call. However, trying to sweep it under the rug and screaming "fake scandal" is not the way you handle such an event, you admit mistakes were made, promise to not make them again, make changes so it will not happen again, and move on. Do not lie to the American People about a protest that never happened, and ignore the people on the ground who say that the protection needs to be increased instead of decreased.
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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    He's not even in the top 10%, YS. Lincoln suspended habeus corpus and jailed dissentors. Harding essentially made himself available to the highest bidder (Teapot Dome). There are presidents out there who did much worse than Nixon, but he's everyone's favorite scapegoat. He was guilty of excessive ambition and turning a blind eye.
    Nixon's cover up and Watergate were something that never needed to happen.......Nixon had a smashing victory over McGovern in 1972 was a rout and no one died under Nixon..........Obama and Hillary both lied to the American people and 4 good men died and the worse part of all is these liars won't admit it or own up to any wrong doing.
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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    So, if we had "won" in Vietnam, what exactly would we have gotten to know that we accomplished something?

    From what I can see, Vietnam is making a lot of progress, they are a major sub-contractor for China, they're poor but improving and the think Americans are terrific (I can't get it but I'm sure there is a reasona obscura). So, if we had just never set foot in there knowing how bad the French got their asses kicked, and let it be Vietnam. How does their "capitalist communism" hurt us?

    Nixon gets credit for opening up China to normalization and that alone is a great credit. Obama gets credit for Gay Rights, and that might not be as dramatically important, it's still a huge leap forward.

    All Presidents do good and bad. Obama is an annoying disappointment to me. He;s a poor manager. He doesn't keep an eye on his appointees, which is why there are so many "scandals". You may think I'm full of crap, but if I were in charge at BATFE, there would never be a "Fast & Furious" or Benghazis. These are from piss-poor management (that seem to be political rewards) and it hurts him over and over. He never stops politicking and he's totally gotten on my nerves.

    Don't worry, I have plenty of criticisms of his predecessors, just staying on topic sort of.
    Strange isn't, both Vietnam and China moving towards Capitalism and we toward Socialism or more government control of business. Military wise, we are becoming closer and closer and may soon have the rights to use Cam Ranh Bay for our Pacific ships. I agree on the gay rights and don't forget, he did get the Start Treaty, disengaged us from Iraq and is about to, I hope from Afghanistan. So as to his foreign policy, I haven't been too disappointed.

    Now the ACA has been a sore spot with me, not so much as to what he was trying to do, but for the way it was pushed through congress. As a leader, he does seem to leave a lot to be desired. The first two years of his administration, he let Pelosi and Reid run his domestic policy. He let Biden negotiate and make the deal with McConnell over the first debt ceiling debate. I have stopped listening to him when he give speeches as they are nothing more than campaign speeches.

    I really haven't seen much difference between him and Bush II. Both either left or leaves much to be desired. I go back to Eisenhower as presidents I can personally remember their policies and how it affect us and the nation. I would only rank Nixon, Ford and Carter below Bush II and Obama. So I am not impressed with either.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    You just described Obama, just leave out the "Southern strategy" stuff
    The problem is that most people really do not understand the "Southern Strategy", and it has been blasted for decades.

    The "Southern Strategy" is typically labeled incorrectly as the Republicans trying to use race to win the South. Of course, you also had people scream that the 2000 election was like returning Reconstruction.

    In the 1960's, the South was hopelessly held in the hands of a corrupt Democratic Party. Bull Connors, George Wallace, Henry Loeb, Bufford Ellington, and all of the rest of the "Good Old Boy" network that had a stranglehold on Southern Politics for over a century. These racist SOBs and those like them were eventually voted out of office as a younger generation realized that the Republican Party were the only ones that could remove this scum, the Democrats were unable to do so (more interested in the status quo and keeping power then real Civil Rights)

    But yet we have another irony, that the winning strategy that actually broke the back of Segregationists and Jim Crowe in the South is now said to be "Racist".

    I would love for them to try and tell us that keeping Democrats in power as they had been before would make the south even better then it is today.
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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what lies are we talking about. Nixon didn't start the Vietnam war
    I never said he did.

    Nixon campaigned on a quick peaceful end to VietNam. "Peace with honor".... From the time he took offce, over 15,000 soldiers were killed in action.
    He said he was going to stop the war and did not.
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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    I never said he did.

    Nixon campaigned on a quick peaceful end to VietNam. "Peace with honor".... From the time he took offce, over 15,000 soldiers were killed in action.
    He said he was going to stop the war and did not.
    and what would have happened if HHH had won



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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    There's nothing to deflect - you're so desperate you're try to bring Obama to the lowest level of American politics by comparing him to Republican scum.
    Not so. To compare Obama to the very lowest of Republican scum would involve elevating him to a far more lofty place than he credibly belongs.
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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah people dying including an ambassador being sodomized and then murdered isn't nearly as bad as Nixon trying to cover up a break in that did not change the election
    Good lord, BenGHAZEEEE!

    What a load of crap.

    You don't know your Nixon Nam History. Do ya?

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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Not so. To compare Obama to the very lowest of Republican scum would involve elevating him to a far more lofty place than he credibly belongs.
    Sure, because he's a Democrat and you don't like him. Spare me the partisanship.
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    Re: Obama vs. Nixon

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i'm disappointed at the lack of an "i like potatoes" option in the poll.
    This isn't about Dan Quayle.
    Who chimes "No Absolutes!" chimes absolutely.

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