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Incognito- what should the punishment be?

What should happen to Incognito of the Miami Dolphins?

  • He should lose his job and be criminally charged

    Votes: 4 12.1%

  • Incognito, the coach, and ownership should be punished by the league

    Votes: 9 27.3%

  • Nothing should happen, this is the NFL

    Votes: 9 27.3%

  • IF Martin had been tough, we would have never heard about this

    Votes: 7 21.2%

  • Incognito fined, suspended, and the NFL investigated

    Votes: 5 15.2%

  • I hate sports and could care less

    Votes: 3 9.1%
  • Total voters
    33
  • Poll closed .
donsutherland1 said:
New information might suggest that Richie Incognito has had issues beyond the matter concerning Jonathan Martin.

From ESPN:

Recently suspended offensive lineman Richie Incognito was investigated last year for harassing a volunteer at the Miami Dolphins' annual golf tournament by allegedly molesting her with a golf club, according to Aventura, Fla., police.

Police report filed against Richie Incognito for alleged molestation in 2012, but no charges - ESPN

If this report is accurate and the incident in question did occur (regardless of whether it rose to the level where a criminal act was committed), this would suggest that Incognito has a problem and his conduct warrants a potentially significant response from the NFL.
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I dont think you will find anyone claiming he was "Saint Richie".
 
VanceMack said:
I dont think you will find anyone claiming he was "Saint Richie".
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I'm not suggesting that. But if the Martin issue is not an isolated case, it suggests that Incognito is a problem and should be dealt with by the League.
 
donsutherland1 said:
I'm not suggesting that. But if the Martin issue is not an isolated case, it suggests that Incognito is a problem and should be dealt with by the League.
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I will bet money that the reason why there isnt a lot of urgency to act on this is the same reason the league approached the 'bounty' situation in New Orleans.

The PLAYERS across the board, past and present...have pretty much spoken clearly on this whole thing. It is a part of the culture and it always has been.
 
VanceMack said:
I will bet money that the reason why there isnt a lot of urgency to act on this is the same reason the league approached the 'bounty' situation in New Orleans.

The PLAYERS across the board, past and present...have pretty much spoken clearly on this whole thing. It is a part of the culture and it always has been.
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I don't doubt that "hazing" of players is part of a broader culture, but this issue may go beyond that. Additional incidents such as the possible one cited by ESPN would argue that the hazing angle merely masked a larger behavioral/conduct problem on the part of Incognito. The NFL will need to look at all the relevant evidence and if there is a larger problem should deal with it.
 
donsutherland1 said:
Of course, one could be dealing with group cohesion dynamics/groupthink that places loyalty to an embattled teammate ahead of objective considerations. Without more information, one can't really be sure.
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I said in a different thread...the thing that is laughable about all of this is that so many people that are supposedly connected to the NFL (sportwriters etc) are just SHOCKED...OUTRAGED...Jason Whitlock is turning this into an MLK civil rights issue. They are the same people that were in and around baseball for the 15 years prior to the revelations on steroids who SAW the players juicing, knew about it, then, when it became public knowledge were...just...SHOCKED! Outraged I tells ya!
 
donsutherland1 said:
I don't doubt that "hazing" of players is part of a broader culture, but this issue may go beyond that. Additional incidents such as the possible one cited by ESPN would argue that the hazing angle merely masked a larger behavioral/conduct problem on the part of Incognito. The NFL will need to look at all the relevant evidence and if there is a larger problem should deal with it.
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As fellow teammates stated...IF Incognito was deemed this evil racist monster, WHY did he and Martin hang out together all the time away from football? Why was Incognito the first to have his back on the field? And WHY if he was such a monster, would his coaches specifically go to him and ask him to "toughen up" Martin?

As much as Incognito is described as a 'cancer', his fellow teammates sure have responded on his behalf. One would think he would be an easy candidate for the rear wheels of the bus.
 
Hatuey said:
An "honorary black man" is supposedly one who makes death threats and terrorizes people. Good stuff conservatives. Glad to see you guys in support of criminal thuggery.
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:lamo Jason Whitlock completely disagrees with you. Since it wasnt CONSERVATIVES that deemed him an honorary black man but rather his black TEAMMATES, Whitlock seems to blame Black America and Black Culture that would embrace someone like Incognito and trash someone like Martin who is intelligent, well spoken, and comes from a good family.
 
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VanceMack said:
As fellow teammates stated...IF Incognito was deemed this evil racist monster, WHY did he and Martin hang out together all the time away from football? Why was Incognito the first to have his back on the field? And WHY if he was such a monster, would his coaches specifically go to him and ask him to "toughen up" Martin?

As much as Incognito is described as a 'cancer', his fellow teammates sure have responded on his behalf. One would think he would be an easy candidate for the rear wheels of the bus.
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I'm reaching no conclusions at this time. I am suggesting that one needs to wait for the evidence to come out. If the ESPN story is right, there would be reason for the NFL to deal with an issue that extends beyond the matter with Martin. The NFL will need to examine the evidence, its credibility, and then act based on the nature of the evidence.
 
VanceMack said:
:lamo Jason Whitlock completely disagrees with you. Since it wasnt CONSERVATIVES that deemed him an honorary black man but rather his black TEAMMATES, Whitlock seems to blame Black America and Black Culture that would embrace someone like Incognito and trash someone like Martin who is intelligent, well spoken, and comes from a good family.
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So wait, you're still using him being labelled as an honorary black even though that obviously means - in this context - that he's a thug, to back your point? Good stuff. Tell me how you're rooting for black America to better itself again. :)
 
Hatuey said:
So wait, you're still using him being labelled as an honorary black even though that obviously means - in this context - that he's a thug, to back your point? Good stuff. Tell me how you're rooting for black America to better itself again. :)
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I love black people. Without black Americans, we'd suck at the Olympics.

Well...Summer Olympics anyway. Winter Olympics, we'd be fine.
 
VanceMack said:
I read the transcripts of the audiotape...did you (and BTW...so did everyone else in the locker room. It had been discussed as a joke by Martin and numerous players)? Did that REALLY sound like a death threat? Because...MOST death threats probably dont contain the line "you are a still a rookie to me...I'll kill you." So...lets be VERY clear, and just so I know...do YOU believe Richie Incognito was threatening to and intended to actually kill Martin? That should be a simple enough question to answer.

Is he 'criminally liable'? If Martin files a complaint then yes...he would be on record as making what amounts to a 'terrorist threat' and there would be grounds for a criminal complaint. Now...your turn. DO you honestly believe that Richie Incognito was planning on killing Martin?
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You're making too many circles to try and avoid the box you made for yourself. Whether he "intends to" or not has no bearing on whether he's criminally liable for uttering death threats. Considering the fact that he's threatened violence against quite a few people. I wouldn't put it past a thug like him to actually make good on some of his threats. Now, you can blame "football culture" all you want for it. **** it, it's supposed to be a rough sport - but there is a line between locker room activity and criminal behavior. Incognito clearly crossed it and if the Dolphin's coaching pushed him to do it, then I hope Martin sues the absolute living **** out the franchise.
 
Rocketman said:
listen to a radio station that plays and rap and you will hear more slurs that were told in this story
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Wow, what a lazy, nonsensical, red herring of a response. Tip: Don't start a thread if you don't want to engage people.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Hockey? Duh. Soccer. Basketball. Basically any sport were both teams are on the field at the same time interacting. You ever actually watch professional basketball? It can get violent, those boys don't play nice.
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Yeah, normally it isn't with their own teammate, however. I know football players as a rule aren't the brightest bulbs in the chandelier, but ruining the life of a guy who is on your side is particularly dumb. Of course, he's educated and that probably counts against him.

You do understand this was their teammate, right?
 
Hatuey said:
You're making too many circles to try and avoid the box you made for yourself. Whether he "intends to" or not has no bearing on whether he's criminally liable for uttering death threats. Considering the fact that he's threatened violence against quite a few people. I wouldn't put it past a thug like him to actually make good on some of his threats. Now, you can blame "football culture" all you want for it. **** it, it's supposed to be a rough sport - but there is a line between locker room activity and criminal behavior. Incognito clearly crossed it and if the Dolphin's coaching pushed him to do it, then I hope Martin sues the absolute living **** out the franchise.
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The last time I looked, threatening to kill somebody was a crime. Of course, football players have different rules that the rest of society, so maybe I'm wrong.
 
VanceMack said:
And WHY if he was such a monster, would his coaches specifically go to him and ask him to "toughen up" Martin?
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They ordered a code red. We can't handle the truth.
 
Wiggen said:
But he's a 'manly man', right?
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No...He's a brute. He's an offensive lineman that bangs his body into other brutes on a daily basis for good money and for the entertainment of fans everywhere. He is just what he is.

Tell me...do you think this sort of stuff doesnt go on on soccer pitches around the globe? Do you think they dont use racist names, slurs, and attack every essence of who you are? This isnt ****ing kindergarten. They arent saints and they arent monsters. They are grown ass men playing a brutal sport.
 
Hatuey said:
You're making too many circles to try and avoid the box you made for yourself. Whether he "intends to" or not has no bearing on whether he's criminally liable for uttering death threats. Considering the fact that he's threatened violence against quite a few people. I wouldn't put it past a thug like him to actually make good on some of his threats. Now, you can blame "football culture" all you want for it. **** it, it's supposed to be a rough sport - but there is a line between locker room activity and criminal behavior. Incognito clearly crossed it and if the Dolphin's coaching pushed him to do it, then I hope Martin sues the absolute living **** out the franchise.
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So we are agreed. He did cross a line, made a stupid statement (especially one that was recorded), neither of us believe he was actually threatening anything, and if Martin pressed charges, he would nonetheless likely be found culpable. OK then...I think our work here is done.
 
Hatuey said:
So wait, you're still using him being labelled as an honorary black even though that obviously means - in this context - that he's a thug, to back your point? Good stuff. Tell me how you're rooting for black America to better itself again. :)
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No...lets be honest. YOU are still doing the same pathetic thing you always do, which is attempt to cry racism at every turn. In THIS laughable instance, you took the FACT that BLACK MEN referred to Incognito as an honorary black man, and shrieked "wah!!! Look!!! Racist conservatives!!!"

Yeah...you are just that childish.

Black sportswriters have in turn critiqued black America for their embracing of the 'thug' as an honorary black man but disrespected the black guy that was articulate and intelligent. And...oh yeah...you ignor tat part and again...want to make it about 'conservatives' and in this case me. Again...your tactics would be funny if they just werent so....sad.

The teammates claiming him as an honarary black man...black guys. The article showing support for Incognito...yeah...that was written by James Walker. A black guy. The commentary critical of Black America for making him an honorary black man...that was Jason Whitlock...a black man. The guy missing all of those facts? Thats...you.
 
MarineTpartier said:
I totally get the attitude a lot of players have said that Martin should have gone to Incognito or the coaching staff about this prior to going public with it. I tend to side with that as well. A 300lb man should be able to stand up for himself and tell another 300lb man to shut his mouth. I don't understand why Martin felt as if he couldn't tell the dude to back off.
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I have read two stories about this, and having played sports at a high level, both made my blood boil.
Incognito is a jerk and his record reveals it.

Have no idea what the punishment should be, but I hope others in the NFL tee up this maggot over and over... until the end of his career. Especially in games where the opponents are ahead and a loss of yards makes no difference. Head off asshole!
 
I think he and the coaching staff should face some kind of action from the NFL. I don't think criminal charges should be brought, but I think this guy Incognito is a complete ass and should be kicked off the team so it's clear that this type of behavior isn't going to be tolerated.
 
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