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Incognito- what should the punishment be?

What should happen to Incognito of the Miami Dolphins?

  • He should lose his job and be criminally charged

    Votes: 4 12.1%

  • Incognito, the coach, and ownership should be punished by the league

    Votes: 9 27.3%

  • Nothing should happen, this is the NFL

    Votes: 9 27.3%

  • IF Martin had been tough, we would have never heard about this

    Votes: 7 21.2%

  • Incognito fined, suspended, and the NFL investigated

    Votes: 5 15.2%

  • I hate sports and could care less

    Votes: 3 9.1%
  • Total voters
    33
  • Poll closed .
ThePlayDrive said:
This is the attitude that sustains crap like this. "When men play games." Give me a break. Racism and threats like Incognito is accused of aren't just a part of "men playing games". In fact, his history has shown that his behavior stands out as over the top. I think it was the Colts that put him on their "No" list because of his "bad character."

Those are very low standards that you have set for men.
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Oh good grief. If you want to play by PC HR rules, stay the hell out of football. And anyone who thinks that there's a racism problem on the Miami Dolphins is just too delicate to even watch the sport.
 
nota bene said:
Well, let's not make a societal issue out of it then. What I've thought about a lot is the business decision. Incognito is talented and therefore valuable...and yet he's ended up leaving every team for which he's played. He's brought unpleasant media attention to his team. Maybe he will be immediately hired by another team. But would you hire him?
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Yeah, he's had problems. When he was the Rams he was a pretty good tackle, but he gave back almost 600 yards in penalties over less than four years. He was constantly fined and got into huge arguments with the coaching staff multiple times bringing some bad media attention to the Rams. My dad and I physically cheered when we found out the Rams waived him in 2009. If my team hired him I'd be disappointed.

I don't really have enough information to make an informed opinion about what should be done here, but my memories of Incognito leave me seriously unsympathetic towards him.
 
Martin should be tougher. But he's not- so what? He shouldn't have to put up with that ****, either. It's a ****ing sports team, it's not a platoon.
 
Come on people...this is the NFL......This **** goes on all the time in the locker rooms.....They were trying to toughen up a soft 330 lb lineman.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
This is the attitude that sustains crap like this. "When men play games." Give me a break. Racism and threats like Incognito is accused of aren't just a part of "men playing games". In fact, his history has shown that his behavior stands out as over the top. I think it was the Colts that put him on their "No" list because of his "bad character."

Those are very low standards that you have set for men.
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Sorry - you misunderstand - I have no standards for men whose profession is playing a game or whose lives revolve around violent entertainment. They're not my role models in life and I could care less what the dynamics are in a professional sports lockerroom or on the playing field. I don't have a problem with them, but you seem to.
 
Navy Pride said:
Come on people...this is the NFL......This **** goes on all the time in the locker rooms.....They were trying to toughen up a soft 330 lb lineman.
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what if this was happening at a fortune 500 company? or any place that offers employment.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
what if this was happening at a fortune 500 company? or any place that offers employment.
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Sorry, but it's ludicrous to compare a Fortune 500 company with a football team - but let's use your analogy - I'd say you'd be right if this player was threatening and harassing the water boy or an usher or some other "employee" of the team - he wasn't - he was threatening and harassing his peer on the team - a player, just like him, on the same level and paid to do the same job - it would be the equivalent of two VPs in a corporation having at it in the board room or in the office - if you don't think that kind of thing goes on all over the business world, you're not paying attention.
 
humbolt said:
Saw it. Of course football is violent. Everybody who plays knows this and the effects of some of it will last a life time. The longer term effects of head injuries are a relatively recent discovery. They need to be addressed, and they will be. The rest is just hype. Many, many sports offer the prospect of such injuries, and more.
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What other sport offers the possibility of such severe brain trauma that you wind up killing yourself? Or turning into some violent person that his own family is afraid of? And actually, the long term effect of head injuries isn't such a recent discovery. What's recent is the NFL finally accepting the scientific proof after denying it for 15 years.
 
Wiggen said:
What other sport offers the possibility of such severe brain trauma that you wind up killing yourself? Or turning into some violent person that his own family is afraid of? And actually, the long term effect of head injuries isn't such a recent discovery. What's recent is the NFL finally accepting the scientific proof after denying it for 15 years.
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Actually, several hockey players who have suffered concussions in their careers recently committed suicide and several others have died young or suffered serious brain damage that has incapacitated them at a young age.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Sorry, but it's ludicrous to compare a Fortune 500 company with a football team - but let's use your analogy - I'd say you'd be right if this player was threatening and harassing the water boy or an usher or some other "employee" of the team - he wasn't - he was threatening and harassing his peer on the team - a player, just like him, on the same level and paid to do the same job - it would be the equivalent of two VPs in a corporation having at it in the board room or in the office - if you don't think that kind of thing goes on all over the business world, you're not paying attention.
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So guys in the business world regularly threaten to kill each other, assault each other's mothers, and express a desire to defecate in their fellow vice president's mouth? Do you have some examples of this? Oh, and if you could throw in an example or two of them calling each other a 'half-n****r', that would help bolster your argument.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Actually, several hockey players who have suffered concussions in their careers recently committed suicide and several others have died young or suffered serious brain damage that has incapacitated them at a young age.
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Hockey glorifies fighting and actively encourages its players to attack each other.
 
Wiggen said:
So guys in the business world regularly threaten to kill each other, assault each other's mothers, and express a desire to defecate in their fellow vice president's mouth? Do you have some examples of this? Oh, and if you could throw in an example or two of them calling each other a 'half-n****r', that would help bolster your argument.
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I'm not talking about the exact same language used - if you want to be infantile about the argument, go right ahead - I'm talking about the culture of business at the highest levels - it isn't roses and daisies.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I'm not talking about the exact same language used - if you want to be infantile about the argument, go right ahead - I'm talking about the culture of business at the highest levels - it isn't roses and daisies.
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This whole affair is largely about the language used. What don't you get about that?
 
CanadaJohn said:
Again, you know nothing about what you're talking about, but you're good at spewing the talking points.
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As opposed to you - another one of these 'manly' men who gets his kicks from bullying and figures that the solution to every situation is just a punch in the face.
 
Wiggen said:
What other sport offers the possibility of such severe brain trauma that you wind up killing yourself? Or turning into some violent person that his own family is afraid of? And actually, the long term effect of head injuries isn't such a recent discovery. What's recent is the NFL finally accepting the scientific proof after denying it for 15 years.
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Riiight. Never happens in hockey, bicycling, soccer, lacrosse, sailing, gymnastics or any other sport, ever. When will these sports come clean? And then there's mountain climbing. Those suckers drop like flies. And BTW, the diagnostics and imaging have improved rather markedly over the period of time you claim. Really, the risks of all these sports are pretty well known, and those who engage in them should be prepared to accept them or stop participating. Where we can make them safer, we should, and generally we do.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Again, you know nothing about what you're talking about, but you're good at spewing the talking points.
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Well, I could have said hockey is just an excuse for guys to beat the hell out of each other with sticks. But I didn't.
 
VanceMack said:
There have been several of his teammates speaking up for him. Everything that has been said is that he has been a positive influence on the team and locker room and a great teammate.
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Yes, I read somewhere (Bleacher Report? USA Today?) that one of them called him an "honorary black man."
 
humbolt said:
Riiight. Never happens in hockey, bicycling, soccer, lacrosse, sailing, gymnastics or any other sport, ever. When will these sports come clean? And then there's mountain climbing. Those suckers drop like flies. And BTW, the diagnostics and imaging have improved rather markedly over the period of time you claim. Really, the risks of all these sports are pretty well known, and those who engage in them should be prepared to accept them or stop participating. Where we can make them safer, we should, and generally we do.
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Yeah, we got to watch out for those injuries occurring in professional bicycling, soccer, lacrosse, sailing, et al. Really, that's the best you've got?
 
Wiggen said:
As opposed to you - another one of these 'manly' men who gets his kicks from bullying and figures that the solution to every situation is just a punch in the face.
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Stay far, far away from the sports world. It's obviously an environment you can't handle. In a fight or flight situation, any football player that chooses flight needs retraining.
 
Wiggen said:
Yeah, we got to watch out for those injuries occurring in professional bicycling, soccer, lacrosse, sailing, et al. Really, that's the best you've got?
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It's better than your namby pamby wailing. I've actually participated in one of those sports professionally, sailing in particular, and some experienced participants have traumatic head injuries, and some die. An accidental jibe is all it takes. A responsible person weighs the risks against the rewards. Don't think Dorsett didn't know the risks back when he was picking up those big pay days. Anybody who's had a few concussions knows, and anybody who says they don't is either lying or in denial. You should stay on your porch.
 
nota bene said:
Yes, I read somewhere (Bleacher Report? USA Today?) that one of them called him an "honorary black man."
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It was several of them. And more than a few have come out straight up defending him. Warren Sapp came about as close to reality as anyone Ive heard on this subject. On the field, in the locker room, people will do anything and say anything to get an advantage. People will talk about your mother, your sister, your wife, your dog. Anything. Martin is a 'liability' at this point. Every player that lines up across the field from him will pick at him until he actually grows a set.
 
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