View Poll Results: What should happen to Incognito of the Miami Dolphins?

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  • He should lose his job and be criminally charged

    5 12.20%
  • Incognito, the coach, and ownership should be punished by the league

    10 24.39%
  • Nothing should happen, this is the NFL

    11 26.83%
  • IF Martin had been tough, we would have never heard about this

    8 19.51%
  • Incognito fined, suspended, and the NFL investigated

    8 19.51%
  • I hate sports and could care less

    5 12.20%
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Thread: Incognito- what should the punishment be?

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    Re: Incognito- what should the punishment be?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And yet...his teammates are his most vocal supporters.
    Hardly surprising. When there's no real leadership, it is left to the loudest and the meanest to take charge. I'd offer that having his teammates defend his conduct speaks volumes about the culture of that locker room.

    Go back and read the Cam Cleland piece from earlier in this forum. Proof that its possible to play this 'violent' game without becoming a mindless, racist thug.
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    Re: Incognito- what should the punishment be?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    But at least there is no problem with anti-gay rhetoric...

    Homophobia in football: Why do gay Premier League players feel they can't come out? | Metro News

    I could do this all day...but wont. Look...no one is claiming Richie Incognito is anything other than what he is. Its not smaller than what it is, but its also not bigger than what it is. It is what it is.
    Why do you continue to compare the behavior of fans with that of teammates? How is that in any way comparable?
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    Re: Incognito- what should the punishment be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Hardly surprising. When there's no real leadership, it is left to the loudest and the meanest to take charge. I'd offer that having his teammates defend his conduct speaks volumes about the culture of that locker room.

    Go back and read the Cam Cleland piece from earlier in this forum. Proof that its possible to play this 'violent' game without becoming a mindless, racist thug.
    Definitely. The coaching staff is definitely partly to blame.

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    Re: Incognito- what should the punishment be?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Definitely. The coaching staff is definitely partly to blame.
    I think you have to be a man to understand.

    Men like to handle problems internally. If you have a beef with a dude, you settle it with that dude. You don't go and tell the world - and the media. That's a capital offense in an NFL locker room.

    Women tattle. Women go to HR. Women air their grievences to everyone else. Martin did a bitch move.

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    Re: Incognito- what should the punishment be?

    Here's a great article on the NFL. Like the author, I love the game but to deny there are some serious problems with the culture as typified by the Incognito garbage is to bury your head in the sand.

    Miami Dolphins’ Richie Incognito bullying allegations are the latest in long list of NFL problems - The Washington Post
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    Re: Incognito- what should the punishment be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Yeah, normally it isn't with their own teammate, however. I know football players as a rule aren't the brightest bulbs in the chandelier, but ruining the life of a guy who is on your side is particularly dumb. Of course, he's educated and that probably counts against him.

    You do understand this was their teammate, right?
    Of course I do understand that. To play football at the NFL level you cant be stupid either. The line calls and defense reads and pickups are insanely complicated. Just in case you don't think linemen have to be at least above average intelligence, here's a book you might want to peruse its called Amazon.com: Take Your Eye Off the Ball: How to Watch Football by Knowing Where to Look eBook: Pat Kirwan, David Seigerman, Pete Carroll, Bill Cowher: Books, I thought I knew quite a bit about football, this gave me more to flesh my knowledge out. From what I understand right now its a he said he said situation. Sounds like Martin got ridden pretty hard, and Ingconito was supposedly supposed to toughen the man up because the coaching staff thought the guy was timid. It also sounds like they were friends and had a falling out. Quite frankly this being the NFL and all these are grown ass men and what they do to each other is their business and between themselves. Its a violent sport loaded with type A personalities, there aint much you can do to change that. If Martin didn't like the way he was treated he had the option of leaving, which he took. Maybe he can get hooked up with another team. I doubt it but you never know.
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    Re: Incognito- what should the punishment be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I think you have to be a man to understand.

    Men like to handle problems internally. If you have a beef with a dude, you settle it with that dude. You don't go and tell the world - and the media. That's a capital offense in an NFL locker room.

    Women tattle. Women go to HR. Women air their grievences to everyone else. Martin did a bitch move.
    I am beginning to see that's exactly what happened. I guess the women's movement finally made to the locker room in the NFL. They have begun the neutering process. I wonder how long the NFL will last.
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    Re: Incognito- what should the punishment be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Hardly surprising. When there's no real leadership, it is left to the loudest and the meanest to take charge. I'd offer that having his teammates defend his conduct speaks volumes about the culture of that locker room.

    Go back and read the Cam Cleland piece from earlier in this forum. Proof that its possible to play this 'violent' game without becoming a mindless, racist thug.
    Again...NO ONE is suggesting everyone is that way. By some reports not every team tolerates it. Some do. Some element of this exists at every level. There is nothing shocking, surprising, or new. As I have said...anyone that has ANY exposure to this game that is now expressing mock outrage is simply a joke. Read some of the history of the game and you will see it is and has always been prevalent.

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    Re: Incognito- what should the punishment be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Why do you continue to compare the behavior of fans with that of teammates? How is that in any way comparable?
    You know what they say about apples and where they tend to fall...

    On 15 October 2011, Luis Suárez was accused of racially abusing Patrice Evra,[110] and the English Football Association opened up an investigation into the incident.[110] On 16 November, the FA announced they would be charging Suárez, while his club, Liverpool, announced support for their player.[111] On 20 December, the FA concluded a seven-day hearing and fined Suárez £40,000 fine and banned him for eight matches for racially abusing Evra.[112] Suárez had used the word "negrito" towards Evra meaning "little black man" in Spanish. The term is used in South America as a term of endearment and not an insult.[113]

    On 23 October 2011, in a match between QPR and Chelsea, Anton Ferdinand alleged racial abuse by Chelsea captain, John Terry, claiming Terry called him a "****ing black ****" during the game; a claim denied by Terry.[114] On 1 November, the Metropolitan Police announced a formal investigation into the allegations.[115] In January 2012 Ferdinand received death threats and a bullet sent through the post.[116] On 1 February 2012 at Westminster Magistrates Court, Terry was accused of a racially-aggravated public order offence in relation to the game at Loftus Road on 23 October. He entered a not-guilty plea and stood trial on 9 July.[117] On 13 July, after a four-day trial, Terry was acquitted.[118] In July, following the court hearing Terry was charged by the Football Association with "using abusive and/or insulting words and/or behaviour towards Ferdinand and which included a reference to colour and/or race contrary to FA Rule E3[2]". In September 2012, after a four day hearing, he was found guilty, banned for four games and fined £220,000.[119] Evidence in his defence at Terry's trial had been given by his team-mate, Ashley Cole. Anton Ferdinand's brother Rio later referred to Cole via Twitter as a "choc ice" meaning someone who is black on the outside but white on the inside.

    On 29 May 2012 the BBC reported that Swindon Town had conceded, in a response to a solicitor's letter from Jonathan Tehoue, that manager Paolo Di Canio, a self-described fascist, had made an inappropriate remark to the player which Tehoue deemed to be racist.

    Just a sampling...

    As I said...I played the game for over 25 years in the states and with club players around Woodbridge and Ipswitch. Cuban players do it. Brazilian players do it. British players do it. American players do it. All? Of course not. A lot? You bet. Usually...its trash talk...a way to get someone off their game, get them thinking more about the player than the next play.

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    Re: Incognito- what should the punishment be?

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    Further chickification of America
    soon they will all be wearing pink tutus
    You got that right! Martin is a WUSSSSSSS!

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