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Would You Support Militarizing The Border With Mexico?

Would You Support Militarizing The Mexican Border?

  • Yes

    Votes: 52 45.6%

  • Some Measures

    Votes: 15 13.2%

  • No

    Votes: 47 41.2%
  • Total voters
    114
Lakryte said:
Immigrants from abroad would still have to find the means to get here, not to mention contrary to what many Americans believe that vast majority of people in the world have no desire to move here. In order to receive welfare benefits (such as TANF) one must be a citizen. Granting legal residency more freely, as opposed to citizenship right away, would be an easy way to solve the potential problem.

Again, none of that requires militarization of the border.
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If it weren't for A) the security concerns and more realistically B) the fact that legal residents here utilize public resources, you'd have an arugment there. Unfortunately, non-citizens are indeed able to access our public expenditures, and can overwhelm local governance structures doing just that.
 
apdst said:
That ain't nothin' but a plane ride, my man. Flights leave America, going to England everyday of the week.
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So, if the Atlantic Ocean can't stop them, how is a "militarized" border going to do it?
 
Lakryte said:
Immigrants from abroad would still have to find the means to get here, not to mention contrary to what many Americans believe that vast majority of people in the world have no desire to move here. In order to receive welfare benefits (such as TANF) one must be a citizen. Granting legal residency more freely, as opposed to citizenship right away, would be an easy way to solve the potential problem.

Again, none of that requires militarization of the border.
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You're wrong.


Report: Immigrants Make Up 42 Percent of Obamacare Medicaid Expansion
 
avatar said:
Policing is not part of the military job. Should we need in the future to defend the border against armed gangs, and that's quite possible, the the military is the choice for the task. Unless you want to build a Berlin Wall equivalent,, and simply shoot those crossing for other reasons though, this is not the way to go.
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Securing the border is the military's job, however.
 
Carjosse said:
Why does no one ever propose this? Replace Homeland Security (or whoever guards the Southern border) and ICE with the National Guard or the Army; all new recruits would be required to protect the border for a period of time. Fortify and secure the border and no one would even think of crossing because even if they get over that wall they will have guns pointing at them from the other side. It worked well for Austria until they joined the Schengen area. I'm not just talking about building a taller wall but complete militarization of the border. It solves your illegal immigration issue for sure and will greatly reduce trafficking of all kinds across the border. What do you Americans think especially those who live near the border?
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It already is militarized, just not officially and on paper.
 
Lakryte said:
That article refers to LEGAL immigrants getting the benefits. I was talking about ILLEGAL immigrants. Nice try.
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The point is, immigrants--legal or not-- don't come to this country and go straight to work.
 
imagep said:
So we would only execute intruders on weekends?
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sounds like a good time for a real citizens' militia. recruit lots of former all-american riflemen and wimbledon cup champions. Put .David Tubb behind a 4000 dollar sniper rifle up on some hill with orders to zap anything trying to breach the border and its gonna put a serious stop to anyone trying to get through
 
apdst said:
But, not all of then, as some folks would have us believe.
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No, not all of them.

Generalizing about any group of people generally leads in the wrong direction.

but, not always.
 
Dittohead not! said:
No, not all of them.

Generalizing about any group of people generally leads in the wrong direction.

but, not always.
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Let me guess, generalization is only bad when it doesn't support your argument.
 
apdst said:
Let me guess, generalization is only bad when it doesn't support your argument.
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I think, in political forums such as this, speaking in general terms is the best we can do.

We all know, or should know, that one size does not fit all. But can we imagine how hard it would be to converse with each other and with every post chock full of disclaimers?
 
apdst said:
But, not all of then, as some folks would have us believe.
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Not all, but probably more than what most people would expect.

Many of these folks are coming to join friends and relatives. Probably about 10% of my business comes from illegals. I sell business products. It doesn't seem like these illegals would need business products, but a large percent of them come with the intention of starting their own business (a lot of times that's the only "job" they can get). A couple of weeks ago this hispanic guy who has been an occasional customer came to me with his friend to order business cards, invoices and yard signs. His friend litterally just crossed our border a few days earlier and didn't speak a single word of English, but he did have some money and plans to start painting contractor business.

A lot of these people are coming here to WORK, and most of them are willing to work very hard for little pay. Many of those who start businesses do so within the hispanic community, so they aren't really taking away American jobs as the existince of this hispanic community has in itself created more jobs, jobs that wouldn't have existed without them being here.
 
Captain America said:
I think, in political forums such as this, speaking in general terms is the best we can do.

We all know, or should know, that one size does not fit all. But can we imagine how hard it would be to converse with each other and with every post chock full of disclaimers?
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Maybe I should put my standard disclaimer as my signature line. Can someone please recommend a good disclaimer attorney?
 
Carjosse said:
Why does no one ever propose this? Replace Homeland Security (or whoever guards the Southern border) and ICE with the National Guard or the Army; all new recruits would be required to protect the border for a period of time. Fortify and secure the border and no one would even think of crossing because even if they get over that wall they will have guns pointing at them from the other side. It worked well for Austria until they joined the Schengen area. I'm not just talking about building a taller wall but complete militarization of the border. It solves your illegal immigration issue for sure and will greatly reduce trafficking of all kinds across the border. What do you Americans think especially those who live near the border?
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If that's what it takes to secure the border and stem the flow of illegal aliens, yes. I'd certainly explore any other effective, and less expensive, solutions first. The point is to stem the tide of illegal aliens, and secure the borders.

All for legal immigration. All against illegal immigration.
 
beefheart said:
No, I live 2.5 hours from the border and journey into Mexico frequently, by car and plane.

We don't need thousands of troops standing around in the desert to stop people who want to work as orange pickers and busboys.

If we are going to spend that money, how about we spend it making Mexico a first world country where the workers stay?

Better get ready for your $8.50 gallon of orange juice and too expensive lettuce though...
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Pretty much. If Mexico wasn't a **** hole they would stop flocking here in such huge numbers. I'm not exactly sure how the US would help Mexico though. The US isn't exactly good at nation building after all.
 
Henrin said:
Pretty much. If Mexico wasn't a **** hole they would stop flocking here in such huge numbers. I'm not exactly sure how the US would help Mexico though. The US isn't exactly good at nation building after all.
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Seems that the US is supporting, at least partially, the Mexican nation in the form of foreign aid.

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List of countries by foreign aid received - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now granted, that really isn't much at the nation level, but it's something. Hopefully it makes Mexico just a little less of a ****hole and keeps their citizens over there, rather than being illegal over here.
 
apdst said:
Securing the border is the military's job, however.
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US Border and Customs protection part of Homeland Security. Learn these things.
 
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