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Would You Support Militarizing The Border With Mexico?

Would You Support Militarizing The Mexican Border?

  • Yes

    Votes: 52 45.6%
  • Some Measures

    Votes: 15 13.2%
  • No

    Votes: 47 41.2%

  • Total voters
    114
A wall on our border wouldn't be meant to restrict all movement as there would certainly be entry points along the wall that people could legitimately pass through.

There were points on the berlin wall where people could pass through....

A wall along our border is meant to stop ONLY illegal activity.
GDR claimed the same thing.


The Great Wall of China would be a more apt description.
Except it didnt work.
 
There were points on the berlin wall where people could pass through....


GDR claimed the same thing.

Actually the claim was to prevent fascists from entering the country.



Except it didnt work.

Never said it did. Never said it'd work here either. Frankly I think a wall is unnecessary. There are much better ways to keep illegals out of this country. People just have to have the gonads to do so.
 
Actually the claim was to prevent fascists from entering the country.
I know. AKA illegal citizens, because of their political beliefs.


Never said it did. Never said it'd work here either. Frankly I think a wall is unnecessary. There are much better ways to keep illegals out of this country. People just have to have the gonads to do so.

Ok....
 
:) Fallacy Identification Fail. You stated:



Examples of where militarized borders have, in fact, a very important place in free countries (ie: helping them to maintain that status) are rather germane to that claim :) Even if presented sarcastically ;)

Not a false identification. You stated:


Ah. So it is your opinion that South Korea would be freer if they were to allow North Korea to dominate them?

That is, by definition, a strawman. You told me what my opinion is and then mocked said "opinion" even though it's not at all what my opinion is. You created a non-existent argument to tear down. A strawman.
 
Why does no one ever propose this? Replace Homeland Security (or whoever guards the Southern border) and ICE with the National Guard or the Army; all new recruits would be required to protect the border for a period of time. Fortify and secure the border and no one would even think of crossing because even if they get over that wall they will have guns pointing at them from the other side. It worked well for Austria until they joined the Schengen area. I'm not just talking about building a taller wall but complete militarization of the border. It solves your illegal immigration issue for sure and will greatly reduce trafficking of all kinds across the border. What do you Americans think especially those who live near the border?

Many people have thought of it...but we have a president (and C-I-C) who would order them NOT to shoot but to escort them to the nearest shelter to begin processing them as immediate U.S. citizens and wall climbers.
 
I know. AKA illegal citizens, because of their political beliefs.

Except that's not the reason that some people want the wall. Albeit I'm pretty sure that is the reason lib politicians don't want the wall and why con politicians do. But people in general? Politics has nothing to do with it.



With all those periods you seem to not believe me. :shrug: I can easily prove that I in particular don't want the wall. Here is a previous post that said as much and why I don't care for the wall idea and what I think would work much better.

The fence idea is to be honest, an idiotic idea. We do have other borders that people can get through after all. Unless you want to surround the whole of the US with walls? No, the best way to handle illegal immigration is to make it to where they get nothing when they are here. No housing. No medical unless it is for immediate life saving reasons. No anchor babies allowed. No jobs. No education.
 
And a wall on the US Mexico border is designed to do what? Keep people in Mexico...

Hardly. They'd be quite free to go out of any of their other borders. If such a wall were to be built it would be meant to keep illegals and criminals out of the US. Just like the Great Wall of China was meant to keep out the Mongols.
 
Not a false identification. You stated:

That is, by definition, a strawman.

On the contrary - a strawman is when you throw out something that is different. You stated that a militarized border had NO PLACE in a free society. Pointing out that there are multiple free societies who require militarized borders in order to remain so is pretty germane.

Which is why you are avoiding answering the point. :)
 
Be tricky; not sure exactly how Posse Comitatus might apply.



Might get messy too. Military is for killing people and breaking stuff.

Posse Comitatus wouldn't apply, since the army wouldn't be deployed against American citizens.
 
A wall to keep people out is about a row or two of barbed wire from a wall to keep people in.
To keep illegal aliens out of The United States.
 
A wall to keep people out is about a row or two of barbed wire from a wall to keep people in.

Comparing border security to the Berlin Wall is stupid. You know that, right?
 
Be tricky; not sure exactly how Posse Comitatus might apply.



Might get messy too. Military is for killing people and breaking stuff.

Policing is not part of the military job. Should we need in the future to defend the border against armed gangs, and that's quite possible, the the military is the choice for the task. Unless you want to build a Berlin Wall equivalent,, and simply shoot those crossing for other reasons though, this is not the way to go.
 
That would result in the creation of mass dependency and an increase influx of immigrants from abroad.

You can have an open borders immigration policy. And you can have a generous social safety net. But you cannot have both.




More realistically, we just spent the last decade or so painfully learning a lot of counterinsurgency lessons really well. Why don't we employ them south of the border against the Narco's?
Immigrants from abroad would still have to find the means to get here, not to mention contrary to what many Americans believe that vast majority of people in the world have no desire to move here. In order to receive welfare benefits (such as TANF) one must be a citizen. Granting legal residency more freely, as opposed to citizenship right away, would be an easy way to solve the potential problem.

Again, none of that requires militarization of the border.
 
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