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Would You Support Militarizing The Border With Mexico?

Would You Support Militarizing The Mexican Border?

  • Yes

    Votes: 52 45.6%

  • Some Measures

    Votes: 15 13.2%

  • No

    Votes: 47 41.2%
  • Total voters
    114
Smeagol said:
I don't think its necessary. It come become necessary if the drug cartel activities begin to seriously affect US border towns.

I think a better solution would be to take a "mow your neighbor's lawn" approach. At times people end up with a neighbor who has abandoned their home or acts like it and neglects things. The neglected property ends up devaluing other property in the area. Although its a pain, often the wise choice in such cases is to spend a hour every couple of weeks mowing the neglected property's lawn.

I think we need a comprehensive Mexico policy that has as its goal working with Mexico to bring it into the G8 and help make it more "Americanized" for lack of a better word and less third world. Due to the relative proximity to the states, I think it would include business initiatives that created jobs for both Mexicans as well as Americans willing to relocate to Mexico for work. I think we need to insist English language and American history be taught in every grade level of Mexican primary and secondary education. I also think English language American radio and TV should be broadcast in every large and medium city in Mexico under a cultural exchange program. Place select American radio and TV stations in a lottery pool to retransmit their signals into a Mexican city for 5 years. Maybe 2 US radio and TV stations into a sister Mexican city. Then when their people relocate here, and obviously many do, the whole population speaks English, has some knowledge US history and can more easily adapt to American culture.

In time possibly all sides agree to incorporate Mexico into the US, first making their states US territories.
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You are forgetting who the border crossers are.

They are the losers of society that can't or won't do anything for themselves.

You don't see educated people crossing the border, just the people that are too lazy to make it in Mexico.

There are just as many oppotunities in Mexico as the US, but with lower pay. These people look at the US as the saving grace for them and they can make a ton of money without doing much. It is only after they get to the states that they get a huge dose of reality.

On your other point, why would you think a soverign nation would let the US dictate what should be forced down the throats of the citizenry?

Are you of the opinión that the majority of the Mexican population are going to cross the border?
 
Smeagol said:
I don't think its necessary. It come become necessary if the drug cartel activities begin to seriously affect US border towns.

I think a better solution would be to take a "mow your neighbor's lawn" approach. At times people end up with a neighbor who has abandoned their home or acts like it and neglects things. The neglected property ends up devaluing other property in the area. Although its a pain, often the wise choice in such cases is to spend a hour every couple of weeks mowing the neglected property's lawn.

I think we need a comprehensive Mexico policy that has as its goal working with Mexico to bring it into the G8 and help make it more "Americanized" for lack of a better word and less third world. Due to the relative proximity to the states, I think it would include business initiatives that created jobs for both Mexicans as well as Americans willing to relocate to Mexico for work. I think we need to insist English language and American history be taught in every grade level of Mexican primary and secondary education. I also think English language American radio and TV should be broadcast in every large and medium city in Mexico under a cultural exchange program. Place select American radio and TV stations in a lottery pool to retransmit their signals into a Mexican city for 5 years. Maybe 2 US radio and TV stations into a sister Mexican city. Then when their people relocate here, and obviously many do, the whole population speaks English, has some knowledge US history and can more easily adapt to American culture.

In time possibly all sides agree to incorporate Mexico into the US, first making their states US territories.
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Now, there's an ambitious goal, bring all 31 Mexican states into the US eventually, after they've served their time as territories. The US would then have 81 states, rather than 50. The flag would be a bit crowded.

It's a bit like what Spain tried to do centuries ago in California when it built the missions, taught the natives Spanish, agriculture, and Catholicism.

It didn't work for Spain, or for the native Californians.

I'm not at all sure that making the Mexicans into Americans would actually work out so well either.
 
This sounds like exactly the job for the National Guard, operating under the direction of the Governors and in coordination with DHS, ICE, and INS.
 
as i still cant figure out how to post quotes, ill have to do it this way,
Carjosse, why would it be illegal to punish illegal immigrants from entering our country. we give them ample notice that this is the border and if you cross it you will be breaking the law and we have right to arrest you for such. If they're armed and they cross that border, and they don't put it down or go back, we have the right to fire back. And you cant say that the Libyans haven't created a good way to keep people from coming in.
 
cpwill, exactly the problem, we have so many agencys that have to do different jobs but get the same one done, we should just compress all of those into one, like a border control version of the ministry of defence
 
to dittohead not, well why don't we just create a larger version of the united kingdoms. incorporate all of our ideas together, create one nation that no one is really going to mess with. allows for no more illegal immigration, extended resources, and furthers the ideas of democracy. no one would ever go with it, but if we are talking hypothetical
 
JJB3333 said:
to dittohead not, well why don't we just create a larger version of the united kingdoms. incorporate all of our ideas together, create one nation that no one is really going to mess with. allows for no more illegal immigration, extended resources, and furthers the ideas of democracy. no one would ever go with it, but if we are talking hypothetical
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The "reply with quote" function is your friend.
 
beefheart said:
Every time we try to do a Bracero program, all the politicians stand up and say "they are taking our jobs!"

Because every American wants to stoop down and earn 50 bucks a day picking cabbage in the hot sun...
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If illegals didn't do it Americans might get to do it for 100 bucks a day. And if your cabbage cost more so be it. It's the price of giving our poor jobs.
 
No, it's unnecessary and wasteful. There are more effective ways to deal with illegal immigration.
 
Carjosse said:
It is also very illegal and very unethical.
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I agree. The question has never been do we have the means, because we do. My point in saying such an outrageous thing is that the only thing we really lack is the will to enforce the borders in a reasonable way. We have the means. We lack the will.
 
Wouldn't it be cheaper to simply build two really big walls and let millions of rottweilers run around between them?

Much more fun, too. Imagine the sheer laugh factor.
 
Mason66 said:
Do you think everybody crossing the border come to work?
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Some of them come to sample the Mesquite Barbeque, Blue Bell Ice Cream and Big Red Soda that is available in Texas. Only the silly ones come here to work.
 
NoC_T said:
Wouldn't it be cheaper to simply build two really big walls and let millions of rottweilers run around between them?

Much more fun, too. Imagine the sheer laugh factor.
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This sounds like a very effective strategy. Would the rottweilers be armed?
 
Carjosse said:
Why does no one ever propose this? Replace Homeland Security (or whoever guards the Southern border) and ICE with the National Guard or the Army; all new recruits would be required to protect the border for a period of time. Fortify and secure the border and no one would even think of crossing because even if they get over that wall they will have guns pointing at them from the other side. It worked well for Austria until they joined the Schengen area. I'm not just talking about building a taller wall but complete militarization of the border. It solves your illegal immigration issue for sure and will greatly reduce trafficking of all kinds across the border. What do you Americans think especially those who live near the border?
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Absolutely not. There are already plenty of military bases "along the border" and it doesn't make any difference primarily because the military doesn't have the powers of law enforcement. The military is used to fight "enemies, foreign and domestic" not enforce immigration laws, nor should it take on this role. That is the job of the border patrol. You want to beef up the BP, then that could be a discussion, but they already do a pretty good job especially with the addition of some good technologies.
 
Mason66 said:
You are forgetting who the border crossers are.

They are the losers of society that can't or won't do anything for themselves.

You don't see educated people crossing the border, just the people that are too lazy to make it in Mexico.
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I must be looking at different Mexican immigrants. I was under the impression they worked their butts off.
 
Slyhunter said:
If illegals didn't do it Americans might get to do it for 100 bucks a day. And if your cabbage cost more so be it. It's the price of giving our poor jobs.
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I saw signs last summer advertising for peach pickers at $10, and packers for $11 an hour, all in Spanish. Packing must require more skill or something. Nope, no English anywhere, not on the bottom, not even in fine print. I think the growers have given up getting Americans to do field work, even in a time of high unemployment.

We used to harvest our own crops. Our own citizens actually went into the fields, sweated and labored in the heat, and earned a few bucks. No more. Why is that?

Are so many so fat and out of shape that they can't physically do hard work any more? Is it just easier to life off of the welfare state? Do we think farm work is somehow beneath us?

Whatever it is, it does not bode well for this country.
 
Dittohead not! said:
and, once the tunnels are completed, we have business as usual.
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seismic sensor take care of that. I mean if USA people can hear a submarine explode in northern Russia..............we can hear Mexicans digging.
 
Smeagol said:
I must be looking at different Mexican immigrants. I was under the impression they worked their butts off.
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You are under the wrong impression.
 
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