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    Re: Would You Support Militarizing The Border With Mexico?

    Mexico is not North Korea, nor is it East Germany, nor is it a modern nation filled with middle class people living the good life. It is a largely poverty ridden place with little opportunity for upward mobility. Therefore, we have desperately poor people willing to risk what little property they have, and their lives as well, to enter "El Norte", where a day's wages can be earned in an hour. Who can blame them? I'd do the same in their position.

    So, let's enforce the law against hiring illegals, and make it possible for a limited number of people who have no criminal backgrounds to come here and work legally. Why don't we?

    Personally, I believe it is because the large political donors want the illegals to stay illegal and therefore more compliant. My opinion.

    Moreover, we have a strong public demand for substances that the federal government has banned. Therefore, we have people working against our laws and those of Mexico to export those substances for high profits. Were those substances to be no longer banned, the profits would no longer be great enough for the cartels to exist. We don't see them killing each other for the privilege of selling tobacco, do we? Were we to ban that substance, there would be a huge criminal enterprise dedicated to producing and distributing tobacco, just as we do cocaine and marijuana.

    So, we could reform immigration policies, enforce the laws, and legalize drugs. That should take care of at least 99% of the illegal activity on the border.

    Or, we could build a DMZ, just like the one that separates the two Koreas. We'll just pass a surtax to pay for it, or maybe put it on the national MasterCard. yeah, that's the ticket, yeah.
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    Re: Would You Support Militarizing The Border With Mexico?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Na. Ill rather not look like the Berlin Wall.
    Bad comparison. The Berlin wall was made for the specific purpose of restricting all movement. A wall on our border wouldn't be meant to restrict all movement as there would certainly be entry points along the wall that people could legitimately pass through. A wall along our border is meant to stop ONLY illegal activity. The Great Wall of China would be a more apt description.
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    Re: Would You Support Militarizing The Border With Mexico?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So, let's enforce the law against hiring illegals, and make it possible for a limited number of people who have no criminal backgrounds to come here and work legally. Why don't we?
    We already have a legal way for people to enter the country legally and work. We even have work sponsor programs where business owners can request a work visa on behalf of people they want to employ.
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    Re: Would You Support Militarizing The Border With Mexico?

    Militarize the southern border?

    Not yes but HELL YES!!!

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    Re: Would You Support Militarizing The Border With Mexico?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    We already have a legal way for people to enter the country legally and work. We even have work sponsor programs where business owners can request a work visa on behalf of people they want to employ.
    Really?
    If all that works as designed, then there is no need to hire illegals, is there? Let's fine the crap out of people who do, then.
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    Re: Would You Support Militarizing The Border With Mexico?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    A wall on our border wouldn't be meant to restrict all movement as there would certainly be entry points along the wall that people could legitimately pass through.
    There were points on the berlin wall where people could pass through....

    A wall along our border is meant to stop ONLY illegal activity.
    GDR claimed the same thing.


    The Great Wall of China would be a more apt description.
    Except it didnt work.


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    Re: Would You Support Militarizing The Border With Mexico?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    There were points on the berlin wall where people could pass through....


    GDR claimed the same thing.
    Actually the claim was to prevent fascists from entering the country.



    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Except it didnt work.
    Never said it did. Never said it'd work here either. Frankly I think a wall is unnecessary. There are much better ways to keep illegals out of this country. People just have to have the gonads to do so.
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    Re: Would You Support Militarizing The Border With Mexico?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Actually the claim was to prevent fascists from entering the country.
    I know. AKA illegal citizens, because of their political beliefs.


    Never said it did. Never said it'd work here either. Frankly I think a wall is unnecessary. There are much better ways to keep illegals out of this country. People just have to have the gonads to do so.
    Ok....


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    Re: Would You Support Militarizing The Border With Mexico?

    Mr. Obama, build up this wall!
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    Re: Would You Support Militarizing The Border With Mexico?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Fallacy Identification Fail. You stated:



    Examples of where militarized borders have, in fact, a very important place in free countries (ie: helping them to maintain that status) are rather germane to that claim Even if presented sarcastically
    Not a false identification. You stated:


    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Ah. So it is your opinion that South Korea would be freer if they were to allow North Korea to dominate them?
    That is, by definition, a strawman. You told me what my opinion is and then mocked said "opinion" even though it's not at all what my opinion is. You created a non-existent argument to tear down. A strawman.

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