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Thread: What should be the first step to fixing healthcare in the US?

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    Re: What should be the first step to fixing healthcare in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It's no secret that before Obama came along, the US had major healthcare problems. However, it's clear that fixing it is up for debate. so I took 5 major issues in the healthcare industry and put them up against each other. Which one do you think should have been fixed before ObamaCare?
    My suggestions:

    Eliminate the AMA's government granted monopoly, and let people purchase health care services from whomever they want.

    Eliminate the FDA and allow people to buy medicine from whomever they want.

    Outlaw employer provided health insurance.

    Eliminate barriers to buying healthcare insurance across state lines.

    Allow people to purchase any insurance they wish.

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    Re: What should be the first step to fixing healthcare in the US?

    You mean purchase healthcare from anyone? Like your barber or butcher?

    I think the FDA does slow down drug introduction but is necessary. Individuals do have have the capacity to do studys before they take a drug.

    I dont get what buying accross state lines is suppose to do. If you want to go this route it seems to me you have to proport ending healthcare insurance all together and pay out of pocket all the time. No pay, no healthcare.

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    My suggestions:

    Eliminate the AMA's government granted monopoly, and let people purchase health care services from whomever they want.

    Eliminate the FDA and allow people to buy medicine from whomever they want.

    Outlaw employer provided health insurance.

    Eliminate barriers to buying healthcare insurance across state lines.

    Allow people to purchase any insurance they wish.
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    Re: What should be the first step to fixing healthcare in the US?

    Everybody pays, no matter what.
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    Re: What should be the first step to fixing healthcare in the US?

    Cost, naturally, but all these things are interconnected.

    While ultimately I prefer pure free market in health care (with a subsidy for the poor), in the current situation the best solution would be (unfortunately) to resort to a simple, streamlined socialist program that would eliminate the parasitic intermediaries that stand between the buyer (patient) and the seller (doctor, nurse, drug-maker).

    Repeal Obamacare (of course). Disband Medicaid and Medicare. Institute a National Health Care Debit Card: every citizen gets a yearly allowance for medical expenses. People who qualify for Medicaid now get more proportionally. If not spent this year, the money does not disappear but accumulate - and becomes simply cash you spend in any way you wish at some maturation point (say, at the pension age).

    Government cuts the check - and that's it. All other decisions are made by the patients/caregivers and actual providers of health care - not "insurance" companies or government bureaucrats.

    This will boost the suffocating medical market, reignite competition, and return people to their natural, influential role of buying customers. As prices of medical goods and services decline, we could begin phasing out the Debit Card subsidy for the better-off, starting from the very top by income.

    Naturally, chances for such radical revamping are close to zero in the current environment. Republicans as a group will never dare to deliver such blow the insurance companies, and Democrats as a group will never agree that actual people can be trusted to make decisions on something as important as their own health.

    The best single thing that can be practically done in the foreseeable future is a tort reform. But even for that to happen, Democrats as a group have be weakened far beyond where they are now.

    Realistic expectation: Costs will keep rising, and the quality of care will decline for the majority of Americans in the foreseeable future. The benefits from scientific advances will keep trickling down, but at a lower rate, except for the rich. The ACA is a brand-new huge boulder blocking the way to any meaningful reform.

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    Re: What should be the first step to fixing healthcare in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I dont get what buying accross state lines is suppose to do. If you want to go this route it seems to me you have to proport ending healthcare insurance all together and pay out of pocket all the time.
    Exactly. Except "the pocket" has to be filled (at least for the not-so-rich) with some help from the government.

    Health "insurance" is nonsense. You can insure, of course, against a broken leg, a sudden rare illness, and so forth, but not against events that are certain to happen - like annual checkups, common cold, or just plain getting older. This is just a convoluted way of OVER-paying for medical goods and services. Just like government bureaucracies infesting the field, insurance companies are parasitic intermediaries in the current setup.

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    Re: What should be the first step to fixing healthcare in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    My suggestions:

    Eliminate the AMA's government granted monopoly, and let people purchase health care services from whomever they want.

    Eliminate the FDA and allow people to buy medicine from whomever they want.
    Neither is realistic. Licensing of medical professionals is crucial to the quality of health care, and so is the rigorous process of clinical trials for drugs.

    Of course, many things have to change in the manner both are done. It is really absurd that a super-qualified doctor or nurse from Japan or Australia cannot start practicing in US soon after immigrating, or that many procedures nurses can do just fine are mandated to be done only by M.D.s, for much higher fees.

    The biggest problem with the FDA is that as a rule it is focused fiercely on safety, and not at all on overall benefits of a potential drug or procedure. A drug that kills someone in clinical trials has no chances of advancing, even if it can save 10,000 lives for every death it may cause. Unfortunately, it is a general problem in our litigious society: We get sued for something bad that happened, never for something good we stopped from happening.

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    Re: What should be the first step to fixing healthcare in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    You mean purchase healthcare from anyone? Like your barber or butcher?
    Yes, I mean allow people to purchase health care services from whomever they want.

    I think the FDA does slow down drug introduction but is necessary. Individuals do have have the capacity to do studys before they take a drug.
    Okay, we can keep the FDA, if you wish. I'd just strip them of power to prevent a drug from being put on the market. They could do the studies and publish them so people are informed. But I would still allow people to buy medicine from whomever they want.

    I dont get what buying accross state lines is suppose to do.
    Give people more choices. Choices are good.

    If you want to go this route it seems to me you have to proport ending healthcare insurance all together and pay out of pocket all the time. No pay, no healthcare.
    I don't propose ending health insurance at all. If people want insurance, they should be allowed to buy insurance.

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    Re: What should be the first step to fixing healthcare in the US?

    This is one of the many areas liberterians fall into the abyss. But it is the logical extension of the ideology.
    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    Yes, I mean allow people to purchase health care services from whomever they want.



    Okay, we can keep the FDA, if you wish. I'd just strip them of power to prevent a drug from being put on the market. They could do the studies and publish them so people are informed. But I would still allow people to buy medicine from whomever they want.



    Give people more choices. Choices are good.



    I don't propose ending health insurance at all. If people want insurance, they should be allowed to buy insurance.
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    Re: What should be the first step to fixing healthcare in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Neither is realistic. Licensing of medical professionals is crucial to the quality of health care, and so is the rigorous process of clinical trials for drugs.
    Okay, keep your licensing and clinical trials, if you wish. Simply allow people to choose whether to buy their healthcare services from licensed or unlicensed provider. Same with FDA. Keep it, if you wish, but still allow people to choose from whom they wish to buy their medicine.

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    Re: What should be the first step to fixing healthcare in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    This is one of the many areas liberterians fall into the abyss. But it is the logical extension of the ideology.
    I'm not a libertarian. I'm just using common sense.

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