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Thread: What should be the first step to fixing healthcare in the US?

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    Re: What should be the first step to fixing healthcare in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Nope. What I propose for is for those who purposely lead unhealthy lifestyles with quantifiable effects to pay more. For example, it's obvious that drinking coca cola is not healthy. If a person drinks it once in their lifetime, I couldn't care less. If a person drinks coca-cola for 15 years every day, weighs 300 pounds and develops diabetes, you damn right I don't want to pay for them to piggy back on my taxes.
    But if nothing happens to them and they are not unduly unhealthy. Why should they pay more.
    My grand mother smoked from 12 to 88 and never coughed once. My mother died of cancer, but not from smoking. Bone cancer.
    My father lived a very healthy lifestyle. Died of a heart attack at 63.
    You cannot cherry pick who is going to be covered under a "universal health care law".

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    Re: What should be the first step to fixing healthcare in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Nope. What I propose for is for those who purposely lead unhealthy lifestyles with quantifiable effects to pay more. For example, it's obvious that drinking coca cola is not healthy. If a person drinks it once in their lifetime, I couldn't care less. If a person drinks coca-cola for 15 years every day, weighs 300 pounds and develops diabetes, you damn right I don't want to pay for them to piggy back on my taxes.
    Then, instead of making your taxes dependent upon the choices of others...you would be better served allowing others to make their choices and leaving the results of those choices in their own hands. That way, you won't have to pay.

    Or...is it more to your liking to pay taxes so that you can exert control over others?
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    Re: What should be the first step to fixing healthcare in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    It has not worked out that way in the rest of the world. UHC is not something new, there is a world (literally) of evidnce out there.
    Yeah it did. It was a problem with the UK system for a generation, and still, same with every other nation that has UHC. Why do you think they all come here in droves to do residency? Every year we max out the visas.

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    Re: What should be the first step to fixing healthcare in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yeah it did. It was a problem with the UK system for a generation, and still, same with every other nation that has UHC. Why do you think they all come here in droves to do residency? Every year we max out the visas.
    That does appear to be the case. Based on my experience where I currently work, I'd venture a guess that maybe 25% of our doctors are US-born.
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    Re: What should be the first step to fixing healthcare in the US?

    Our current system does not work. I am not sure if this is what you are saying or not, but an interesting article I read the other day...Doctor shortage: Foreign doctors are just as good as the homegrown variety. So why don’t we let them practice here?
    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yeah it did. It was a problem with the UK system for a generation, and still, same with every other nation that has UHC. Why do you think they all come here in droves to do residency? Every year we max out the visas.
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    Re: What should be the first step to fixing healthcare in the US?

    Ban Health Insurance.

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    Re: What should be the first step to fixing healthcare in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Our current system does not work. I am not sure if this is what you are saying or not, but an interesting article I read the other day...Doctor shortage: Foreign doctors are just as good as the homegrown variety. So why don’t we let them practice here?
    Our current system works and has worked for millions of people. In fact it serves the third highest population in the world. People still come here from all over the world for treatment, despite the naysayers.

    Now, those nations with UHC, they have brain drain to add to their list of wait times and lack of services. The excellent medical students among them come here rather than train and practice in their home countries with UHC. Now, we already have a doctor shortage despite this influx, what happens when we go UHC and become just as undesirable as all those other countries to practice in?

    I'm saying I'm willing to try UHC here, but you have to understand EVERYTHING about our healthcare system will change, and some of it not for the better.

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    Re: What should be the first step to fixing healthcare in the US?

    India is the most common destination for medical tourism worldwide. By far. I do understand our healthcare system will change. I spent most of my masters degree exploring UHC, I am convinced it is the best way to deliver healthcare to the citizens of this country. I just pray it works out for the best for everyone, I am not trying to argue this just to argue about it.
    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Our current system works and has worked for millions of people. In fact it serves the third highest population in the world. People still come here from all over the world for treatment, despite the naysayers.

    Now, those nations with UHC, they have brain drain to add to their list of wait times and lack of services. The excellent medical students among them come here rather than train and practice in their home countries with UHC. Now, we already have a doctor shortage despite this influx, what happens when we go UHC and become just as undesirable as all those other countries to practice in?

    I'm saying I'm willing to try UHC here, but you have to understand EVERYTHING about our healthcare system will change, and some of it not for the better.
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    Re: What should be the first step to fixing healthcare in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    India is the most common destination for medical tourism worldwide. By far. I do understand our healthcare system will change. I spent most of my masters degree exploring UHC, I am convinced it is the best way to deliver healthcare to the citizens of this country. I just pray it works out for the best for everyone, I am not trying to argue this just to argue about it.
    Indeed, foreign dollars go a long way there and can buy you the best medical care available (a good portion of the high end US trained). That says nothing for their sort of UHC system. I understand you and many others are convinced UHC is the way to go here, and I'm at the point where I'm more than willing to give it a go and be proven wrong. I, on the other hand, don't see it being successful here. Americans don't like change of that sort unless they are absolutely in need. It'll end up being so that real medical care like we're used to will be even higher priced and will be available to those who can afford it. The rest of us will be stuck with the UHC system, and it won't be better than what we had.

    That's my take, but again, willing to be proven wrong by reality (not debate and guessing). One thing for sure, never getting to UHC from Obamacare. It's centered around insurance companies.

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    Re: What should be the first step to fixing healthcare in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It's no secret that before Obama came along, the US had major healthcare problems. However, it's clear that fixing it is up for debate. so I took 5 major issues in the healthcare industry and put them up against each other. Which one do you think should have been fixed before ObamaCare? Multiple choice is allowed, votes are public.

    Cost:

    Medical bills prompt more than 60 percent of U.S. bankruptcies - CNN.com



    Medical Malpractice:


    10 Things You Want To Know About Medical Malpractice - Forbes



    Medicaid/Medicare Fraud:


    Medicare And Medicaid Fraud Is Costing Taxpayers Billions - Forbes



    Denial of Coverage:

    Insurers Denied Coverage to 1 in 7 - WSJ.com



    Claim Denial:

    PolitiFact | TV ad overstates health insurance denials
    You may not know this, but the Obama admin. (or the Dept of Justice) was pretty successful in tackling Medicare fraud. They rounded up some serious Medicare fraud providers (it's usually the PROVIDERS who are the big defrauders, turning in fake claims).

    These things can all be tackled at once. They don't have to be done separately, one before the other. Some of them are ongoing things. Take fraud. No fraud can be wiped out 100%. It's like moonshiners. As soon as you dismantle one still, another one pops up. It's an ongoing "war."

    I think it was correct to try to pass a reform act. Given the discord between Congress and this administration, trying to tackle individual items would have meant nothing would have been done, if the admin had to rely on Congress. It was best to pass a reform act. I'm VERY UNHAPPY with what was passed, but there was no other reform act on the table. If only the Republicans had presented a comprehensive competing official bill. There was talk in the campaigning, but nothing was presented, that I know of. Instead, the Republicans just sought to stop Obamacare, w/o presenting its own competing reform act that tackled all the millions of uninsureds and cost, etc.

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