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    35 70.00%
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Thread: What should be the first step to fixing healthcare in the US?

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    Re: What should be the first step to fixing healthcare in the US?

    Then what makes you think the pharmacutical and healtcare field should be unregulated?
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    Re: What should be the first step to fixing healthcare in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Then what makes you think the pharmacutical and healtcare field should be unregulated?
    I don't think that pharmaceutical and health care field should be unregulated. I merely proposed specific changes to fix these fields.

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    Re: What should be the first step to fixing healthcare in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    Okay, keep your licensing and clinical trials, if you wish. Simply allow people to choose whether to buy their healthcare services from licensed or unlicensed provider. Same with FDA. Keep it, if you wish, but still allow people to choose from whom they wish to buy their medicine.
    People are not prohibited from buying anything that is on the legal market. Providers are prohibited from selling stuff that is not shown to be safe and efficacious. Or to practice medicine with being verifiably competent. This is not about consumer choice, like with the insurance policies Obama lied about. It is about safeguarding against harmful, potentially lethal substances and malpractice.

    I am a biotech professional, and I often work closely with biopharmaceutical companies. Trust me, my feelings toward the FDA in its current form are very remote from tender love. But I also fully realize that even I, a biochemist, am not competent to decide whether some new drug may be dangerous for me or not, outside of a very small number of substances/diseases I happen to know a lot about. And 99% of people in the country are less qualified.

    Allowing for sales of whatever medicine by whomever is not real free market - because it would lack a mechanism for fraud prevention, and fraud can be easily lethal in this case. Policing after-the-fact, when somebody drops dead or gets sick/er is hardly practical, and we will drown in litigation - if the ethical part is not an objection enough.

    Now, the medical market is cornered in many ways, and, as I said, it has to be busted open. Americans should have, among other things, easier access to drugs not approved by the FDA but released on the markets in EU, Japan, Switzerland, Down Under...But that is another level.

    Verification of safety of consumables is a proper "night guard" function of the State, and if cost-benefit analysis may suggest to go easy many goods and services that are overregulated now, it is not the case for drugs or qualifications for surgery.

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    Re: What should be the first step to fixing healthcare in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Then what makes you think the pharmacutical and healtcare field should be unregulated?
    Why do you think that every libertarian must think that way? Confusing us with anarchists?

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    Re: What should be the first step to fixing healthcare in the US?

    Yes, you are correct. I dont really see much difference.
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    Why do you think that every libertarian must think that way? Confusing us with anarchists?
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    Re: What should be the first step to fixing healthcare in the US?

    I picked Cost simply because the others cant be fixed without fixing cost and fixing cost fixes or helps to fix the others.

    All one has to do is look at pricing studies and how inconsistent they are even from hospital to hospital in the same county, yes county not state, not country.

    Knee replacement at one hospital vs a next is sometimes different by 50000? how is this possible?
    even the prosthetic itself is off by 500% sometimes

    same knee, same procedure, same quality of doctor/nurses/facilities but 50K different? and other procedures are worse
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    Re: What should be the first step to fixing healthcare in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Yes, you are correct. I dont really see much difference.
    Anarchists advocate complete replacement of coercive government with voluntary associations. Sounds sweet, but not gonna work.

    Libertarians (classical liberals) recognize that coercion is morally wrong, but want to keep government as a guard against coercion or fraud by individuals, groups, corporations or other governments.

    Of course, both anarchists and libertarians are diverse groups of people: some moderate and gradualist, others - radical and impatient to the point of functional imbecility. Not unnaturally, pragmatism is more often found among libertarians.
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    Re: What should be the first step to fixing healthcare in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    I picked Cost simply because the others cant be fixed without fixing cost and fixing cost fixes or helps to fix the others.

    All one has to do is look at pricing studies and how inconsistent they are even from hospital to hospital in the same county, yes county not state, not country.

    Knee replacement at one hospital vs a next is sometimes different by 50000? how is this possible?
    even the prosthetic itself is off by 500% sometimes

    same knee, same procedure, same quality of doctor/nurses/facilities but 50K different? and other procedures are worse
    Medical care insurance profit works off of a percentage of the sales price - much like a real estate commmiission on sales. While it takes no more effort to pay a $100K claim than a $10 claim the profit is far higher on the larger claim. There is absolutely no incentive for an insurance company to try to control the cost of care especially since having that "private" service is now mandatory.
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    Re: What should be the first step to fixing healthcare in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    People are not prohibited from buying anything that is on the legal market. Providers are prohibited from selling stuff that is not shown to be safe and efficacious. Or to practice medicine with being verifiably competent. This is not about consumer choice, like with the insurance policies Obama lied about. It is about safeguarding against harmful, potentially lethal substances and malpractice.
    Yes, allowing anyone to sell on the market is the way I imagine that consumers would be given the freedom to choose from whom to buy.

    I am a biotech professional, and I often work closely with biopharmaceutical companies. Trust me, my feelings toward the FDA in its current form are very remote from tender love. But I also fully realize that even I, a biochemist, am not competent to decide whether some new drug may be dangerous for me or not, outside of a very small number of substances/diseases I happen to know a lot about. And 99% of people in the country are less qualified.

    Allowing for sales of whatever medicine by whomever is not real free market - because it would lack a mechanism for fraud prevention, and fraud can be easily lethal in this case. Policing after-the-fact, when somebody drops dead or gets sick/er is hardly practical, and we will drown in litigation - if the ethical part is not an objection enough.

    Now, the medical market is cornered in many ways, and, as I said, it has to be busted open. Americans should have, among other things, easier access to drugs not approved by the FDA but released on the markets in EU, Japan, Switzerland, Down Under...But that is another level.

    Verification of safety of consumables is a proper "night guard" function of the State, and if cost-benefit analysis may suggest to go easy many goods and services that are overregulated now, it is not the case for drugs or qualifications for surgery.
    As I said, keep the FDA, but allow people to also buy from whoever they choose. That way those, like you, who trust the FDA to can buy only FDA approved medicine. Those who trust others can have medicine approved by others. That way, everybody should be happy.

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    Re: What should be the first step to fixing healthcare in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Medical care insurance profit works off of a percentage of the sales price - much like a real estate commmiission on sales. While it takes no more effort to pay a $100K claim than a $10 claim the profit is far higher on the larger claim. There is absolutely no incentive for an insurance company to try to control the cost of care especially since having that "private" service is now mandatory.
    of course they dont care but this is the part that needs regulated and the rest will fall in line, its one of the areas where other countries are ahead of us.

    I have no problem with Agent J knees costing 1500 and captain courtesy knees costing 10000 especial if my knee is rated for 10 years and his is rated for 25 THATS how business works.

    But my knee should never be available at one hospital at 1800 and at another hospital literally in walking distance 15000. Thats complete bull**** and what needs looked at and fixed.

    business is business but simply ass raping the customer (PATIENT) especially in an industry where lives are on the line is just wrong and a serious problem.
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