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    Re: Do You Have A Right To Buy Crap?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    "Do You Have A Right To Buy Crap?"

    Yes, I absolutely do have a right to buy what you think is crap. Because I am not you. Maybe I would be better, smarter, prettier etc if I were you, but I am not. Just didn't happen, my rotten luck. I am someone else. And I have the right - and the duty, actually - to decide for myself what I buy, what I say, what I do, and how I live. Is it a concept to arcane to comprehend?
    I find it funny that right wing "libertarians" have exactly the same attitude as those Wall Street Bankers that bundled bad mortgages and sold them to clients as "A1" investments and then bet on them to fail. It is Govts. job to prevent the "weak" from being taken advantage of by the "strong". Swindlers go to jail unless you are a banker of course. Is that such a arcane concept to comprehend? We can't all be bankers can we?

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    Re: Do You Have A Right To Buy Crap?

    I literally thought this thread was alluding to buying actual fecal matter when I read the title.....then I saw it was about the ACA and it confirmed my thought.
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    Re: Do You Have A Right To Buy Crap?

    "Do You Have A Right To Buy Excrement"?

    Not anymore, its illegal.

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    Centrally planned economies are always superior to the Free Market

    I thought everyone knew that?!?

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    Re: Do You Have A Right To Buy Crap?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    I was reading this article on CBC form their Washington correspondent and I found it rather interesting. It talks about Obamacare and Obama saying if you like your policy you can keep it. People are complaining that their old policies are being cancelled by Obamacare because they are substandard, while the reason they are substandard is that they are crap and provide no real protection from healthcare costs.

    THis quote illustatres the point very nicely:

    All Obamacare does is prevent people from being screwed by insurance companies because then everyone else has to pick up the tab. He goes on to say how is it different than requiring car insurance or banks having to have insurance to protect themselves form bad loans. After all the banks chose to finance sub-prime mortgages it is their fault, but we ended up having to pay for it the end same happens with healthcare.
    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    It has n0othign to do with this is about government preventing people form making stupid decisions that hurt the rest of us.
    Who gets to define what's "stupid?" The "smart" people?
    Who gets to define what's "hurtful to you?" The people "who care for you?"

    If I were to suggest that we wielded government to prevent people from voting for liberals - because in my humble opinion I think I'm smart and because I care about all of us, that voting for liberals would be stupid and would hurt the rest of us because liberalism is about as crappy a product as ever existed - how would you respond? And understand, I'm not being remotely facetious here. The premises underpinning what you're promoting are precisely the same.

    If I were to suggest that we wielded government to prevent people from posting the sort of crap being promoted in this thread and many others like it, because imho it's stupid (and because I think myself smart) and hurts the rest of us - how would you respond to that?

    Precisely what is it about "government" that you think makes it smarter than the rest of us that we may presume to wield it in the manner you're suggesting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I find it funny that right wing "libertarians" have exactly the same attitude as those Wall Street Bankers that bundled bad mortgages and sold them to clients as "A1" investments and then bet on them to fail. It is Govts. job to prevent the "weak" from being taken advantage of by the "strong". Swindlers go to jail unless you are a banker of course. Is that such a arcane concept to comprehend? We can't all be bankers can we?
    What I find tragic (I can't use your word "funny" because it's anything but) is that it seems to have escaped you how "those Wall Street Bankers" were saddled with so many bad mortgages in the first place.

    Your premise is that a bunch of intelligent people, allowed themselves to get saddled with a bunch of extremely bad mortgages - mortgages that were bad because they violated their own principles, the most fundamental principles of lending, lending to people they knew did not remotely qualify for such loans, but they went ahead and did it anyway, thinking it was somehow a good idea?

    Such a premise defies even the most basic logic.

    Have you ever asked yourself what would prompt someone in the business of lending money to lend money to someone they knew couldn't repay it?
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    Re: Do You Have A Right To Buy Crap?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    LOL We just installed another plank from FDR's New Bill of Rights to go alongside Social Security and Medicare so I would say that progressives are doing just fine with solutions. Your side can go along happy or kicking and screaming into the future. It is up to you. The end will be the same.
    Another plank on the deck of the Titanic isn't going to raise it. That's the problem with progressive "solutions;" they only make matters progressively worse.
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    Re: Do You Have A Right To Buy Crap?

    Every American has not only the right but the responsibilitity to waste all of their spare cash on whatever trash that they want to waste it on.

    Anyone who doesn't agree with this is an anti-American Commie (Or something like that.).
    Last edited by shrubnose; 11-07-13 at 08:38 AM.

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    Re: Do You Have A Right To Buy Crap?

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    Lots of idiots on this poll I see.

    you have no right to buy (and therefore sell):

    diseased meat’
    unpasteurized milk
    bad liquor
    use lead in soldier
    Use human waste on food crops (just looking at the 101 worms you can get makes your skin crawl)
    Put Cocaine in food or drink.
    or any other deadly product.


    Of course the GOP types jsut want to kill everyone and profit form these kinds of things...........
    Apparently we DO have a right to buy crap - in this case, ideological crap. And fwiw, I totally support your right to buy it.
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    Re: Do You Have A Right To Buy Crap?

    Interesting. The policies that are being canceled are considered by Obama and friends to be substandard, while the policies available (in theory anyway) on the wab site have such high deductibles and copays that they are not actually insurance at all. We are being pushed toward what is almost a catastrophic plan, but if your 55 year old father develops ovarian cancer he is covered. Now Gramma can finally get that prostate exam, but she is going to have to pay for it anyway because she has a $5000 deductible. And these plans are better?

    Something to keep in mind here: Insurance companies are among the best odds makers in the world. These plans are put together by people who know that statistically very few people will actually get payouts exceeding their premiums. If they couldn't do that they would go out of business.

    So I'm going to ask again: Of those of you who support this law, how many have signed up and purchased a plan under it? Anybody? Because I have been asking this question since the website opened and you would be the first.

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    Re: Do You Have A Right To Buy Crap?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    I was reading this article on CBC form their Washington correspondent and I found it rather interesting. It talks about Obamacare and Obama saying if you like your policy you can keep it. People are complaining that their old policies are being cancelled by Obamacare because they are substandard, while the reason they are substandard is that they are crap and provide no real protection from healthcare costs.

    THis quote illustatres the point very nicely:




    All Obamacare does is prevent people from being screwed by insurance companies because then everyone else has to pick up the tab. He goes on to say how is it different than requiring car insurance or banks having to have insurance to protect themselves form bad loans. After all the banks chose to finance sub-prime mortgages it is their fault, but we ended up having to pay for it the end same happens with healthcare.
    It is way better to be screwed by the government, where I do not have a choice, than by an insurance company, where I do have a choice.

    Leave me to make my own decisions, and I will accept the consequences, So far, the most overbudget cluster**k and most incompetant insurance available is Obamacare, and it is not in effect as of yet.

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