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    Re: Do You Have A Right To Buy Crap?

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    Have you ever asked yourself what would prompt someone in the business of lending money to lend money to someone they knew couldn't repay it?
    Of course. The answer is when you can bundle and resell that loan to some sucker for another commission by lying about its safety and then place bets (called CDS's) that the loan will fail and make even more money when it does. You do realize that bankers took RECORD bonuses during the boom and now they are paying fines for there misdeads that don't begin to dent the profits they made? You also must know the GW. Bush sold $440 Billion of those stinkers to Fannie Mae in 2002 to kick off the housing bubble?

    Fannie and Freddie were just another investor for the banks to swindle. GW Bush himself turned bankers shill and boasted that he got Fannie to commit to 440 Billion $ to buy the new subprimes in his 2002 "Minority Housing Initiative Program." He even evoked 911 and promised that the plan would "turn incredible evil into incredible good," I swear, I'm not making that up. Heres ole GW himself with the bit about Fannie in 2002


    And so, therefore, I've called -- yesterday, I called upon the private sector to help us and help the home buyers. We need more capital in the private markets for first-time, low-income buyers. And I'm proud to report that Fannie Mae has heard the call and, as I understand, it's about $440 billion over a period of time. They've used their influence to create that much capital available for the type of home buyer we're talking about here. It's in their charter; it now needs to be implemented. Freddie Mac is interested in helping. I appreciate both of those agencies providing the underpinnings of good capital.HUD Archives: President George W. Bush Speaks to HUD Employees on National Homeownership Month (6/18/02)


    Can you believe he actually said "It's in their charter, it NOW needs to be implemented"? If you know why?, it all will make sense. Anyway there's plenty more, but I fear your brain might explode.
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    Re: Do You Have A Right To Buy Crap?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    To get insurance costs down everyone (Including the very healthy.) must have health insurance.
    Mostly because those 1000's of those "very healthy" individuals end up in the hospital every year. No one is immune to accidents or sudden illness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Mostly because those 1000's of those "very healthy" individuals end up in the hospital every year. No one is immune to accidents or sudden illness.
    Indeed and most of them pay the full bill for it too. Sometimes it takes them quite a while to do so. The wiser ones insurance up after that. Some are willing to pay as they go. Their choice is NOT a federal call any more than requiring flood or earthquake insurance is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    How many times are people going to repeat the same misinformation about ER visits? The ER can, and does turn people away. If it's not classed a medical emergency and you can't pay - you can be (and often are) turned away. This lie that the ER is some sort of catchall has got to stop.
    Really. I didn't know that. I've been told this several times. Will have to research it myself when I have a few minutes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Really. I didn't know that. I've been told this several times. Will have to research it myself when I have a few minutes
    When I was studying for my LVN I worked part of the time at the ER admitting desk of a major California hospital. ERs are only are required by law to take life threatening medical emergency cases. However, most ERs will take you for more minor ailments if you can demonstrate the ability to pay (insurance or credit) and they aren't stacked at the time.

    Here's the law on the subject:

    Non-covered medical conditions[edit]
    Not all medical problems are covered by EMTALA, meaning that a person cannot assume that if they are ill, they will be treated. Specifically, EMTALA does not cover non-emergency situations. The hospital is allowed to determine that there is no emergency, using their normal screening procedure, and then refuse EMTALA treatment
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    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Indeed and most of them pay the full bill for it too. Sometimes it takes them quite a while to do so. The wiser ones insurance up after that. Some are willing to pay as they go. Their choice is NOT a federal call any more than requiring flood or earthquake insurance is.
    A lot of times they don't pay too, and then we all foot the bill. Don't forget the ones that have insurance but are bankrupted because their insurance won't pay. The mandate eliminates all insurers excuses to deny payment.

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    Re: Do You Have A Right To Buy Crap?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    When I was studying for my LVN I worked part of the time at the ER admitting desk of a major California hospital. ERs are only are required by law to take life threatening medical emergency cases. However, most ERs will take you for more minor ailments if you can demonstrate the ability to pay (insurance or credit) and they aren't stacked at the time.

    Here's the law on the subject:
    Thanks. Interestingly enough the Wikipedia article did note that something like 55% of ER visits go unpaid so in any case hospitals must be taking a bath on ER visits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Thanks. Interestingly enough the Wikipedia article did note that something like 55% of ER visits go unpaid so in any case hospitals must be taking a bath on ER visits.
    That's a highly debated statistic. What they are not saying is that they're lumping insurance underpayment in with those figures. Also they ignore any cost recouping from debt collection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    A lot of times they don't pay too, and then we all foot the bill. Don't forget the ones that have insurance but are bankrupted because their insurance won't pay. The mandate eliminates all insurers excuses to deny payment.
    Nah, it really doesn't. The insurance companies still have excluded procedures. ERs are infamous for going ahead with excluded procedures. Hospital admins are always on them about it.

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    Re: Do You Have A Right To Buy Crap?

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    Notwithstanding China is a communist nation, this isn't China (at least it isn't yet).
    China is not Communist. China is unregulated capitalism. that is why all the capitalists in USA are going there...................
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