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  • Joe Biden

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  • John Boehner

    7 8.24%
  • Harry Reid

    7 8.24%
  • Nancy Peloisi

    2 2.35%
  • Mitch McConnell

    2 2.35%
  • Governor Christie

    1 1.18%
  • Rand Paul

    2 2.35%
  • Ted Cruz

    12 14.12%
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    Re: Which one is the most dishonest active Politician?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No - you are placing a modern (and somewhat distorted) set of assumptions into your analysis. Neither racialism nor nationalism were right-wing phenomenon. In fact, as much as they entered policy in America, they were usually Progressive phenomenon. It wasn't conservatives who pushed Eugenics or trade protectionism at that time, recall.



    Meh. Sort of. Ideology is not linear.
    If you want to reject every single dictionary, be my guest.

    Well, there's still Conservapedia. I'm sure that source would be more than happy to tell you that Fascism is left wing.

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    Re: Which one is the most dishonest active Politician?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    If you want to reject every single dictionary, be my guest.
    when you start to make an academic argument by citing a dictionary, typically you are in the 7th grade and writing your very first research paper.

    Well, there's still Conservapedia. I'm sure that source would be more than happy to tell you that Fascism is left wing.
    maybe they would, and it would be no evidence whatsoever. The fact remains that there is heavy ideological overlap between the European National Socialists and the American Progressives of that era - because both were outgrowths of the same broad intellectual movement. The movements borrowed from their predecessors and each other, as well as the central planning experiments going on in the Soviet Union. Was Hitler anti-communist? Sure he was. For the same reason that Stalin was anti-Menshevik.

    "..what we were doing in this country were some of the things that were being done in Russia and even some of the things that were done under Hitler in Germany. But we were doing them in an orderly way." Harold Ickes, Interior Secretary under FDR, citing the President.

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    Re: Which one is the most dishonest active Politician?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Please stop the falsehoods, please. True, under Obama more troops have died in Afghanistan than under Bush (1626 in almost 5 years under Obama and 564 in the 7 years under Bush) but you seem to ignore that under Bush 4,222 US troops died in Iraq and under Obama 264 troops died in Iraq.

    Add them and you will see that under Bush 4,222 and 564 US brave men and women died in Iraq and Afghanistan and under Obama 1,626 and 264 brave soldiers have paid the ultimate price they could give for their country.

    So Bush number's are 4,786 deaths and Obama's numbers are 1,890 troops in his presidency.

    Now sure, Bush has been in power for 8 years and Obama just about 5 years but it is totally untrue that under Obama more troops were killed than under Bush. That only flies if you purely look at Afghanistan and last time I checked Bush almost completely bailed on fighting the terrorists in Afghanistan so that he could pursue his invasion of Iraq.

    Also, I was not aware the drone strikes were happening in the US? And the ovens statement is not only nasty but downright insulting for Jewish people and all those who suffered at the hands of Adolf Hitler.
    Adolf Hitler is what we have in Obama now. He is targeting the middle class instead of a race of people but none the less targeting.

    The 12-Year War: 73% of U.S. Casualties in Afghanistan on Obama's Watch
    The 12-Year War: 73% of U.S. Casualties in Afghanistan on Obama's Watch | CNS News

    ■Obama has ordered seven times more drone strikes than Bush in the covert conflicts in Pakistan and Yemen, according to independent estimates.
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    Re: Which one is the most dishonest active Politician?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Adolf Hitler is what we have in Obama now.


    What tripe.
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    Re: Which one is the most dishonest active Politician?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post


    What tripe.
    No other President has forced commerce on the people. No other President has dictated what doctors we can see on not see. No other President has taken insurance coverage from one class and given it to another.

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    Re: Which one is the most dishonest active Politician?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    when you start to make an academic argument by citing a dictionary, typically you are in the 7th grade and writing your very first research paper.
    Unless all the dictionaries agree. At which point you might be on the wrong side of the argument.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    maybe they would, and it would be no evidence whatsoever. The fact remains that there is heavy ideological overlap between the European National Socialists and the American Progressives of that era - because both were outgrowths of the same broad intellectual movement. The movements borrowed from their predecessors and each other, as well as the central planning experiments going on in the Soviet Union. Was Hitler anti-communist? Sure he was. For the same reason that Stalin was anti-Menshevik.

    "..what we were doing in this country were some of the things that were being done in Russia and even some of the things that were done under Hitler in Germany. But we were doing them in an orderly way." Harold Ickes, Interior Secretary under FDR, citing the President.
    Once each ideology goes to their extreme they begin to resemble each other a lot more than they differ. Right wing ideology taken to its extreme becomes statist and nationalist as those become means of control. Left wing ideology when taken to its extreme is a bit different in the details but the nationalism and statism (and totalitarianism) are all still there.

    Also I hope you'll pardon when I flinch at the use of the word "overlap," an approach that frequently tries to tie two unrelated concepts together by treating the irrelevant similarities as the important ones, an example being: Obama drinks coffee, Hitler drank coffee, ergo Obama emulates Hitler.

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    Re: Which one is the most dishonest active Politician?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    No other President has forced commerce on the people. No other President has dictated what doctors we can see on not see. No other President has taken insurance coverage from one class and given it to another.
    Yeah, still not Hitler.
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    Re: Which one is the most dishonest active Politician?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Yeah, still not Hitler.
    Closest thing we have seen in our history

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    Re: Which one is the most dishonest active Politician?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Closest thing we have seen in our history
    Okay.
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    Re: Which one is the most dishonest active Politician?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    No other President has forced commerce on the people. No other President has dictated what doctors we can see on not see. No other President has taken insurance coverage from one class and given it to another.
    Right. Because when history decided on what made Hitler uniquely evil, it was his national social health insurance system (which, by the way, isn't even Hitler's. It was started under Otto Von Bismarck in 1883). And then allllll the way at the bottom of the list there's something about invading Poland, concentration camps and blah blah blah whatever. Nope, forget that, it's the health insurance system.
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