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  • Harry Reid

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  • Nancy Peloisi

    2 2.35%
  • Mitch McConnell

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  • Governor Christie

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    12 14.12%
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    Re: Which one is the most dishonest active Politician?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    there are several on this list I should have listed, but I wanted to be balanced:

    Hey, but where are Jesse and Al not-so-Sharpton? I would put them up somewhere around Rev. Wrong and Far-far-out-akhan maybe...
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    Re: Which one is the most dishonest active Politician?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Easy. Michele Bachman.
    Good pick, why's she not on the list?
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    Re: Which one is the most dishonest active Politician?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Sometimes it's hard to tell which ones are dishonest and which ones are just crazy. Like the "legitimate rape" guy. Or the "evolution is a lie from the pit of hell" guy. Or anyone who was actually pushing for the shutdown. Are they smarter than all that and just lying in order to pander to crazy right wing voters, or are they actually as crazy as they act?
    Yeah, I know, right? And how about what democrat Rep. Hank Johnson said , during a House committee meeting, he feared that stationing 8,000 Marines on Guam would cause the island to "become so overly populated that it will tip over and capsize." snopes.com: Guam Tipping Point

    Or how about this outrageously crazy one, "Now, if you have or had one of these plans before the Affordable Care Act came into law and you really liked that plan, what we said was you can keep it if it hasn’t changed since the law passed."[multiple sources] No, what that crazy dude actually said was, “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan, PERIOD.” [multiple sources] Lying to us about lying to us. Wow. He has the cojones certainly, as much as BJ had about the whole Lewinsky/Impeachment deal...
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    Re: Which one is the most dishonest active Politician?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Please stop the falsehoods, please. True, under Obama more troops have died in Afghanistan than under Bush (1626 in almost 5 years under Obama and 564 in the 7 years under Bush) but you seem to ignore that under Bush 4,222 US troops died in Iraq and under Obama 264 troops died in Iraq.

    Add them and you will see that under Bush 4,222 and 564 US brave men and women died in Iraq and Afghanistan and under Obama 1,626 and 264 brave soldiers have paid the ultimate price they could give for their country.

    So Bush number's are 4,786 deaths and Obama's numbers are 1,890 troops in his presidency.

    Now sure, Bush has been in power for 8 years and Obama just about 5 years but it is totally untrue that under Obama more troops were killed than under Bush. That only flies if you purely look at Afghanistan and last time I checked Bush almost completely bailed on fighting the terrorists in Afghanistan so that he could pursue his invasion of Iraq.

    Also, I was not aware the drone strikes were happening in the US? And the ovens statement is not only nasty but downright insulting for Jewish people and all those who suffered at the hands of Adolf Hitler.
    Actually you either got a bit of misdirection, or maybe unfamiliarity, going on there.

    Which one is the most dishonest active Politician?-capture-mil-deaths-thru-2011-jpg http://timemilitary.files.wordpress....-05-12msmr.pdf

    What is amazing is that Bush did all the major lifting, two invasions and a hard surge, and his numbers are not really so much different, for the most part,than BJ Clinton and/or BO. Every death is a true tragedy, of course, but this is what the volunteer force does when called upon. What is interesting is that the suicide rates are higher under BJ and much higher, almost double, under Obama.

    Which one is the most dishonest active Politician?-capture-mil-deaths-reason-thru-2011-jpg http://timemilitary.files.wordpress....-05-12msmr.pdf

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...deaths-in-2012
    Last edited by Gaugingcatenate; 11-05-13 at 10:48 PM.
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    Re: Which one is the most dishonest active Politician?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Actually you either got a bit of misdirection, or maybe unfamiliarity, going on there.

    Which one is the most dishonest active Politician?-capture-mil-deaths-thru-2011-jpg http://timemilitary.files.wordpress....-05-12msmr.pdf

    What is amazing is that Bush did all the major lifting, two invasions and a hard surge, and his numbers are not really so much different, for the most part,than BJ Clinton and/or BO. Every death is a true tragedy, of course, but this is what the volunteer force does when called upon. What is interesting is that the suicide rates are higher under BJ and much higher, almost double, under Obama.

    Which one is the most dishonest active Politician?-capture-mil-deaths-reason-thru-2011-jpg http://timemilitary.files.wordpress....-05-12msmr.pdf

    U.S. Military's Suicide Rate Surpassed Combat Deaths In 2012 : The Two-Way : NPR
    No, I think I was pretty much accurate

    iCasualties | Operation Iraqi Freedom | Iraq

    iCasualties: Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom Casualties

    And stand by my comments, under Bush a lot more soldiers died. And that goes for total number of soldiers that sadly lost their lives as well as number of soldiers per year.
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    Re: Which one is the most dishonest active Politician?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Do I really need to say more about this kind of silly thing?

    And PS. Adolf H. is as right wing as it gets.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Not if you redefine fascism to be left wing.
    And you would only do that if you wanted to be accurate.

    There is no denying that Fascism and its its step child, Nazism, came out of the left. Mussolini's father was a revolutionary socialist, blah blah blah... but then, one assumes that since you made that spike attempt, that you may have known about some of all of this, eh?
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    Re: Which one is the most dishonest active Politician?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    No, I think I was pretty much accurate

    iCasualties | Operation Iraqi Freedom | Iraq

    iCasualties: Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom Casualties

    And stand by my comments, under Bush a lot more soldiers died. And that goes for total number of soldiers that sadly lost their lives as well as number of soldiers per year.
    And I stand by mine, a much more accurate portrayal of the overall picture of what was/is going on. GW was pretty much successful in his military efforts, so was BJ, for the most part [ maybe a bit questionable on Haiti, certainly Somalia ]... not so much for the O... and again, just not that much difference in actual causalities, especially in light of accomplishment vs nothing much at all accomplished... and certainly not as much as you may want to try to make of it.
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    Re: Which one is the most dishonest active Politician?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    And you would only do that if you wanted to be accurate.

    There is no denying that Fascism and its its step child, Nazism, came out of the left. Mussolini's father was a revolutionary socialist, blah blah blah... but then, one assumes that since you made that spike attempt, that you may have known about some of all of this, eh?
    The principles and organization of Fascists. Also, loosely, any form of right-wing authoritarianism.
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    an 'anti-ideological' and pragmatic ideology that proclaims itself antimaterialist, anti-individualist, antiliberal, antidemocratic, anti-Marxist, is populist and anticapitalist in tendency, expresses itself aesthetically more than theoretically by means of a new political style and by myths, rites, and symbols as a lay religion designed to acculturate, socialize, and integrate the faith of the masses with the goal of creating a 'new man';"
    Fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (there's a whole slew of definitions there, actually, but anti-marxist and anti-left principles are predominant


    an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
    • (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.
    source: my apple computer's on board dictionary (take that as you will)

    a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
    Fascism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary


    a political movement or system characterized mainly by a belief in the supremacy of the chosen national group over all others, and in which there is, typically, state control of all aspects of society, a supreme dictator, suppression of democratic bodies such as trade unions and emphasis on nationalism and militarism.
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    any ideology or movement inspired by Italian Fascism, such as German National Socialism; any right-wing nationalist ideology or movement with an authoritarian and hierarchical structure that is fundamentally opposed to democracy and liberalism
    any ideology, movement, programme, tendency, etc, that may be characterized as right-wing, chauvinist, authoritarian, etc
    Definition of fascism | Collins English Dictionary

    a very right-wing political system in which the government is very powerful and controls the society and the economy completely, not allowing any opposition. Fascism was practised in Italy and Germany in the 1930s and 40s.
    fascism - definition of fascism by Macmillan Dictionary

    a political system based on a very powerful leader, state control, and being extremely proud of country and race, and in which political opposition is not allowed
    Fascism noun - definition in British English Dictionary & Thesaurus - Cambridge Dictionary Online

    A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
    fascism - definition of fascism by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

    All of these definitions included descriptions of right wing principles taken to an extreme. All other definitions just focused on the totalitarian aspect, but none at all on singularly left wing principles because it's understood that the extreme of left wing principles is communism.

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    Re: Which one is the most dishonest active Politician?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    You can only vote for one and it would be nice if it came with an explanation.
    I'm really tempted to vote for Nancy Pelosi, but I can't. To be a "liar" would require that you know or at least believe you are presenting a falsehood. Like Biden, I really think Pelosi may just be a bit insane.

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    Re: Which one is the most dishonest active Politician?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    All of these definitions included descriptions of right wing principles taken to an extreme
    No - you are placing a modern (and somewhat distorted) set of assumptions into your analysis. Neither racialism nor nationalism were right-wing phenomenon. In fact, as much as they entered policy in America, they were usually Progressive phenomenon. It wasn't conservatives who pushed Eugenics or trade protectionism at that time, recall.

    All other definitions just focused on the totalitarian aspect, but none at all on singularly left wing principles because it's understood that the extreme of left wing principles is communism.
    Meh. Sort of. Ideology is not linear.

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