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    Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    THe bill has recently been gaining bipartisan support and there is even stories from within the GOP that insiders are also pushing for members to become supportive on this bill as it is a bill that will help be be judged on their merits and ability and not prejudiced.

    If you are unfamiliar with the bill and history read below:
    Employment Non-Discrimination Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Employment Non- Discrimination Act | Human Rights Campaign
    https://www.aclu.org/hiv-aids_lgbt-r...rimination-act

    Heres a recent article:
    Bipartisan support boosts gay rights legislation
    WASHINGTON (AP) Gay rights advocates including both Republicans and Democrats are newly upbeat about the prospects for Senate passage of a bill that would prohibit employers from discriminating against workers on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity.
    The outlook for the Employment Non-Discrimination Act the first test vote is Monday reflects the nation's growing tolerance of homosexuality and Republicans' political calculation as they look for supporters beyond their core base of older voters.
    "I think society continues to evolve on the issue of gay rights," said Republican Sen. Susan Collins of Maine, a co-sponsor of the measure. "As more and more gay individuals are open about their sexual orientation, people come to realize that they are their neighbors, their family members, their friends, their co-workers. That's made a big difference."


    In a sign of the times, the anti-bias legislation has traditional proponents, such as the Human Rights Campaign, the largest gay and lesbian advocacy group, and the backing of a relatively new group, the American Unity Fund. That organization has the financial support of big-name Republican donors hedge fund billionaires Paul Singer, Cliff Asness, Dan Loeb and Seth Klarman and former Republican lawmakers Norm Coleman of Minnesota and Tom Reynolds of New York.
    "Most conservatives believe people in the workforce should be judged on their merits," said Jeff Cook-McCormac, a senior adviser to the American Unity Fund, a group that has focused on gay rights initiatives in New Jersey, Minnesota, Rhode Island and Delaware. "They shouldn't be judged on characteristics that are irrelevant in a productive employee."
    I myself am skeptical that it will pass but this, IMO has been the most optimistic views on it, its been around since 95 or so i believe.

    Im going to vote yes but Im not too confident, its seems one of my own state senators could be part of the deciding votes. Ive already written to him and expressed how he should definitely support this bill and protect the right of fellow americans against discrimination whether they have different views or not becaue they are worthy of the same rights and protections as the rest of us.


    Additional News Links:
    Opinion: Workplace equality for gays gets serious support - CNN.com
    Gay rights groups pressure Toomey on vote
    ENDA gains bipartisan support, test vote Monday | Steve Rothaus' Gay South Florida
    Toomey pushed to back anti-discrimination bill | TribLIVE
    Observer-Reporter | Gay rights groups pressure Toomey


    So do you think the bill will pass? this isnt whether you support the bill or not the question is do you think it will pass?

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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    THe bill has recently been gaining bipartisan support and there is even stories from within the GOP that insiders are also pushing for members to become supportive on this bill as it is a bill that will help be be judged on their merits and ability and not prejudiced.

    If you are unfamiliar with the bill and history read below:
    Employment Non-Discrimination Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Employment Non- Discrimination Act | Human Rights Campaign
    https://www.aclu.org/hiv-aids_lgbt-r...rimination-act

    Heres a recent article:
    Bipartisan support boosts gay rights legislation


    I myself am skeptical that it will pass but this, IMO has been the most optimistic views on it, its been around since 95 or so i believe.

    Im going to vote yes but Im not too confident, its seems one of my own state senators could be part of the deciding votes. Ive already written to him and expressed how he should definitely support this bill and protect the right of fellow americans against discrimination whether they have different views or not becaue they are worthy of the same rights and protections as the rest of us.


    Additional News Links:
    Opinion: Workplace equality for gays gets serious support - CNN.com
    Gay rights groups pressure Toomey on vote
    ENDA gains bipartisan support, test vote Monday | Steve Rothaus' Gay South Florida
    Toomey pushed to back anti-discrimination bill | TribLIVE
    Observer-Reporter | Gay rights groups pressure Toomey


    So do you think the bill will pass? this isnt whether you support the bill or not the question is do you think it will pass?

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    I voted not sure, because the God Squad still has a strong hold in the House. What I mean by that is: If the Speaker allows it to come to a floor vote, I feel it could pass with a bipartisan vote, but the Religious Right (the God Squad) may try and force the Speaker to not allow a floor vote. They can call for a vote of No Confidence at any time and put the Speaker's office up for a vote, which would allow the Democrats to gain the Speaker's office since they would unite and the Republicans would be split and not have enough votes to maintain control.

    I think it will pass the Senate without problem. Not unanimously, but without problem.

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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    I have a hard time believing many repubs in the house will go for this, since they can simply fall back on "pro business" mantra. Of course, those same politicians are hypocrites if they wouldn't dream of repealing the current ENDA (protections for race gender religion etc). I'm resigned to our federal government being massive steaming piles of sh.it, so i'm not getting hopes up.

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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I voted not sure, because the God Squad still has a strong hold in the House. What I mean by that is: If the Speaker allows it to come to a floor vote, I feel it could pass with a bipartisan vote, but the Religious Right (the God Squad) may try and force the Speaker to not allow a floor vote. They can call for a vote of No Confidence at any time and put the Speaker's office up for a vote, which would allow the Democrats to gain the Speaker's office since they would unite and the Republicans would be split and not have enough votes to maintain control.

    I think it will pass the Senate without problem. Not unanimously, but without problem.
    while SOME of the religious right fit your stereotype perfectly and that's a good moniker for them not all of them feel the same, some do support this bill because they are in favor of civil and equal rights. Not fair to pain them all with one brush.

    In general i do agree the house is a different story


    Right now this is the national scene:


    Twenty-two states and Washington, D.C., have already approved laws banning workplace discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, and 17 of those also prohibit employers from discriminating based on gender identity.

    About 88% of Fortune 500 companies have already adopted nondiscrimination policies that include sexual orientation, according to the Human Rights Campaign. About 57% of those companies include gender identity.
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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    while SOME of the religious right fit your stereotype perfectly and that's a good moniker for them not all of them feel the same, some do support this bill because they are in favor of civil and equal rights. Not fair to pain them all with one brush.
    I'm a Christian myself, just not one of the ones that think I know what God meant, verbatim, and implicitly, and those are the ones I say are in the God Squad (the same ones that use the Bible to justify hatred and discrimination). So to be clear, I wasn't referring to all Christians, just the extreme religious right.

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    In general i do agree the house is a different story


    Right now this is the national scene:


    Twenty-two states and Washington, D.C., have already approved laws banning workplace discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, and 17 of those also prohibit employers from discriminating based on gender identity.

    About 88% of Fortune 500 companies have already adopted nondiscrimination policies that include sexual orientation, according to the Human Rights Campaign. About 57% of those companies include gender identity.
    I have a lesbian employee, who talks to me regularly about her situation with her parents, who have no idea. I'm not Fortune 500 company, in fact, I'm not even rich enough to be in the Fortune Unfortunate 500.

    My conservatism tells me that I should hire a person, pay a person and promote a person within my company based on one thing only; personal capabilities.

    The sad part, is that there's even a need for a law like this.

    To be the devil's advocate for just a minute, owners of companies should be able to hire people that conform to the vision and goals of the company. If the owner of the local Bible Store at the mall doesn't want to hire gay people, or unwed mothers, or remarried divorce's (since Leviticus says they are bad too), then it's their choice. OR should it be?

    My opinion? It shouldn't matter to the government, yet if the government didn't get involved with other forms of discrimination, where would our country be now?

    There is obviously a need for the law, although not as much as before given your own statistics. But without the law, a reversal of this trend could occur.

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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I'm a Christian myself, just not one of the ones that think I know what God meant, verbatim, and implicitly, and those are the ones I say are in the God Squad (the same ones that use the Bible to justify hatred and discrimination). So to be clear, I wasn't referring to all Christians, just the extreme religious right.



    I have a lesbian employee, who talks to me regularly about her situation with her parents, who have no idea. I'm not Fortune 500 company, in fact, I'm not even rich enough to be in the Fortune Unfortunate 500.

    My conservatism tells me that I should hire a person, pay a person and promote a person within my company based on one thing only; personal capabilities.

    The sad part, is that there's even a need for a law like this.

    To be the devil's advocate for just a minute, owners of companies should be able to hire people that conform to the vision and goals of the company. If the owner of the local Bible Store at the mall doesn't want to hire gay people, or unwed mothers, or remarried divorce's (since Leviticus says they are bad too), then it's their choice. OR should it be?

    My opinion? It shouldn't matter to the government, yet if the government didn't get involved with other forms of discrimination, where would our country be now?

    There is obviously a need for the law, although not as much as before given your own statistics. But without the law, a reversal of this trend could occur.
    Well does the local shop have more than 15 direct employees? then it would have to

    if it does then like most people do they simply make up a reason. Im not condoning that im just saying thats how the world already works. Im sure there were people fired today for being white, black, a man, a woman, christian, straight, gay etc BUT they made it out to be something else.
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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Well does the local shop have more than 15 direct employees? then it would have to

    if it does then like most people do they simply make up a reason. Im not condoning that im just saying thats how the world already works. Im sure there were people fired today for being white, black, a man, a woman, christian, straight, gay etc BUT they made it out to be something else.
    That's very true.

    Sounds like a hell of a lot of law suits coming down the pipe though once this passes.

    You fired me because I'm gay!!
    No, I fired you because you're a screw-up!!
    No you didn't!!
    Yes I did!!


    Enter the lawyers...

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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    THe bill has recently been gaining bipartisan support and there is even stories from within the GOP that insiders are also pushing for members to become supportive on this bill as it is a bill that will help be be judged on their merits and ability and not prejudiced.

    If you are unfamiliar with the bill and history read below:
    Employment Non-Discrimination Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Employment Non- Discrimination Act | Human Rights Campaign
    https://www.aclu.org/hiv-aids_lgbt-r...rimination-act

    Heres a recent article:
    Bipartisan support boosts gay rights legislation


    I myself am skeptical that it will pass but this, IMO has been the most optimistic views on it, its been around since 95 or so i believe.

    Im going to vote yes but Im not too confident, its seems one of my own state senators could be part of the deciding votes. Ive already written to him and expressed how he should definitely support this bill and protect the right of fellow americans against discrimination whether they have different views or not becaue they are worthy of the same rights and protections as the rest of us.


    Additional News Links:
    Opinion: Workplace equality for gays gets serious support - CNN.com
    Gay rights groups pressure Toomey on vote
    ENDA gains bipartisan support, test vote Monday | Steve Rothaus' Gay South Florida
    Toomey pushed to back anti-discrimination bill | TribLIVE
    Observer-Reporter | Gay rights groups pressure Toomey


    So do you think the bill will pass? this isnt whether you support the bill or not the question is do you think it will pass?

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    Since I can't imagine why congress wouldn't vote to end discrimination against gays in the workplace, I voted "Yes, I think it will pass." But no matter the Federal law, the state of Illinois already forbids it.

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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    That's very true.

    Sounds like a hell of a lot of law suits coming down the pipe though once this passes.

    You fired me because I'm gay!!
    No, I fired you because you're a screw-up!!
    No you didn't!!
    Yes I did!!


    Enter the lawyers...
    well this is true about everything but sadly thats a problem with people, lawyers and the courts
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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Since I can't imagine why congress wouldn't vote to end discrimination against gays in the workplace, I voted "Yes, I think it will pass." But no matter the Federal law, the state of Illinois already forbids it.
    that awesome believe or not im not actually familiar on which 22 states already prohibit this type of discrimination.
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