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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) no i just want rights protected, you do not
    2.) nope never even suggested that but law needs to protect rights
    3.) yes i know and that exists right now
    4.) 100% false
    5.) see 4#
    6.) no your subjective view is meaningless to facts but yes you are free to fill however you want no matter how much proves otherwise
    7.) but we arent
    8.) im fine with this again thats a problem with people, judges, lawyers etc, not the law.
    Fight to clean up the justice system i also fight for that but at no time will i abandon my fellow citizens and allow them to be illegally discriminated against and not have equal rights.
    9.) I also think this is weird and it shouldnt be in thier but id bet anything it was added by a opponent to the bill.

    like i said Ill take equality and rights being protected everytime with people trying to use loop holes for personal gain than i will just abandoning protecting those qualities and rights. Its not even a contest IMO.
    1) I do want rights protected. MINE. I want the freedom to hire whoever I choose that is willing to work for me for whatever reasons I deem to be important. You don't want to protect MY rights. Like I said I don't want more law I want less. You are fine with more, and imposing YOUR views upon me and forcing me to do what you want me to. I am saying NO.
    6)My view is as meaningful or less as yours is as I have the same influence with my rep you do. I oppose the law. I support the people opposing the law. I give those opposing money. I want MY rights protected the law does NOT do that. It discriminates against ME. I am not fine with that.
    1) This law IS a restriction on MY rights to association and to MY rights to commerce. Fact. I cant help it you are blind to that. That's also a fact.
    4) It is 100% correct. To do otherwise would be to invite a lawsuit. The law prohibits discrimination against suspect classes and extends protection to same said suspect classes and this law makes trannies and homosexuals and others protected. I would be required to PROVE I did not discriminate. That is completely unacceptable to me. Ask an attorney.
    7) Because the law is being applied to me and to private entities I cannot and will not support it.

    Rights are sovereign privilege, nothing more. Might does make right and rights. Right now your side has the might, and so you are taking rights. Just remember that what you take can be taken in turn.
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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    1) I do want rights protected. MINE. I want the freedom to hire whoever I choose that is willing to work for me for whatever reasons I deem to be important. You don't want to protect MY rights.
    2.) Like I said I don't want more law I want less. You are fine with more, and imposing YOUR views upon me and forcing me to do what you want me to. I am saying NO.
    3)My view is as meaningful or less as yours is as I have the same influence with my rep you do. I oppose the law. I support the people opposing the law. I give those opposing money. I want MY rights protected the law does NOT do that.
    4.) It discriminates against ME. I am not fine with that.
    5.) This law IS a restriction on MY rights to association and to MY rights to commerce. Fact.
    6.) I cant help it you are blind to that. That's also a fact.
    7.) It is 100% correct.
    8.)To do otherwise would be to invite a lawsuit.
    9.) The law prohibits discrimination against suspect classes and extends protection to same said suspect classes and this law makes trannies and homosexuals and others protected.
    10.) I would be required to PROVE I did not discriminate.
    11.) That is completely unacceptable to me. Ask an attorney.
    12.) Because the law is being applied to me and to private entities I cannot and will not support it.
    13.) Rights are sovereign privilege, nothing more. Might does make right and rights. Right now your side has the might, and so you are taking rights. Just remember that what you take can be taken in turn.
    1.) this right isnt being changed so you are good, like i told you earlier you should probably educate yourself on what this actually does, you said you didnt know
    2.) 100% false, nice try though, see #1 and it has nothing to do with my views or force lol
    3.) we arent talking about my views you rights are being protected
    4.) nope it factually does not, please feel free to continue to make stuff up though
    5.) sorry its factually not, like i said educate yourself on whats actually going on. If you think this law does any of that you are mistaken and you have no right to commerce now lol
    6.) not a fact you made it up
    7.) see #6
    8.) only if you break the law and violate rights which can already happen
    9.) yes this laws protects peoples rights just like gender, race, age, religion etc
    10.) if there was enough evidence that you did yes, just like every other law on the books, murder, theft etc
    11.) then move to a country without laws because this particular one isnt going to make that anything new its how all laws work
    12.) this is your right but my guess along with the other laws that protect rights of ALL OF US, gender, race, religions etc this will pass sooner or later. Equal rights has a habit of doing that.
    13.) more fantasy, I have no side, im mot making any rights, rights or people that were not being protected now simply might, hopefully they will be

    let me know what eles you d like to make up and maybe read the bill so you understand it and dont post so many things that area factually wrong next time
    good luck!
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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) this right isnt being changed so you are good, like i told you earlier you should probably educate yourself on what this actually does, you said you didnt know
    2.) 100% false, nice try though, see #1 and it has nothing to do with my views or force lol
    3.) we arent talking about my views you rights are being protected
    4.) nope it factually does not, please feel free to continue to make stuff up though
    5.) sorry its factually not, like i said educate yourself on whats actually going on. If you think this law does any of that you are mistaken and you have no right to commerce now lol
    6.) not a fact you made it up
    7.) see #6
    8.) only if you break the law and violate rights which can already happen
    9.) yes this laws protects peoples rights just like gender, race, age, religion etc
    10.) if there was enough evidence that you did yes, just like every other law on the books, murder, theft etc
    11.) then move to a country without laws because this particular one isnt going to make that anything new its how all laws work
    12.) this is your right but my guess along with the other laws that protect rights of ALL OF US, gender, race, religions etc this will pass sooner or later. Equal rights has a habit of doing that.
    13.) more fantasy, I have no side, im mot making any rights, rights or people that were not being protected now simply might, hopefully they will be

    let me know what eles you d like to make up and maybe read the bill so you understand it and dont post so many things that area factually wrong next time
    good luck!
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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    It looks like my NV rep Dean Heller will be vote 60 and this will pass.

    I do understand the feelings of PirateMK, my fellow Martian. But I can see why "rights" are a thing of the past. The bad apples (who would definitely discriminate) have caused all of us to lose some of our powers of choice.

    Just hire one black M2F and sit them by the door. (I stole that from the book The Spook Who Sat By The Door, a very old book about discrimination in the CIA).

    So, yeah, here comes ENDA, like it or not.

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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    If it's a right and just concept, and it doesn't require some outrageous outlay of money to implement like an ADA upgrade would, then why allow smaller businesses to be exempt? Doesn't this just re-enforce the inequality concept even more?
    I'm not sure the logic there, but i believe that exemption is in place for ENDA currently. It would also be a lot harder to enforce, since many of them are just some family running it. They don't even take applications. Still, this says 7 in 10 have policies already:

    10 Things to Know About the Employment Non-Discrimination Act | Center for American Progress

    I like how they lay it on obama for not banning federal contractors from discriminating. That's really inexcusable.

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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Sorry but everything you wrote is wrong. I am fighting your imposition.
    thats what i thought you got nothing
    thread history facts, laws, reality and rights all prove your statement to be false

    good luck in your fight against having rights protected, luckily for you in this country you can do that
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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    Well it cleared the senate in the first round of voting.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/05/us...rdle.html?_r=0

    Bill on Workplace Bias Clears Senate Hurdle

    WASHINGTON — A measure that would outlaw workplace discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity overcame a significant obstacle in the Senate on Monday as seven Republicans crossed party lines and voted to begin debate on the bill.


    The 61-to-30 vote means that the full Senate will consider a measure to extend federal nondiscrimination law to gay, lesbian and bisexual people for the first time since 1996 – a stark reminder, supporters said, that as the public has come around to accepting gay rights, Congress has been slow to keep pace.

    Senator Dean Heller of Nevada, one of the Republicans who voted to open debate, had announced Monday that he would vote yes on the bill, known as the Employment Nondiscrimination Act, saying that after conversations with voters at home and colleagues in the Senate, he had come to the determination that “supporting this legislation is the right thing to do.”

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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    THe bill has recently been gaining bipartisan support and there is even stories from within the GOP that insiders are also pushing for members to become supportive on this bill as it is a bill that will help be be judged on their merits and ability and not prejudiced.

    If you are unfamiliar with the bill and history read below:
    Employment Non-Discrimination Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Employment Non- Discrimination Act | Human Rights Campaign
    https://www.aclu.org/hiv-aids_lgbt-r...rimination-act

    Heres a recent article:
    Bipartisan support boosts gay rights legislation


    I myself am skeptical that it will pass but this, IMO has been the most optimistic views on it, its been around since 95 or so i believe.

    Im going to vote yes but Im not too confident, its seems one of my own state senators could be part of the deciding votes. Ive already written to him and expressed how he should definitely support this bill and protect the right of fellow americans against discrimination whether they have different views or not becaue they are worthy of the same rights and protections as the rest of us.


    Additional News Links:
    Opinion: Workplace equality for gays gets serious support - CNN.com
    Gay rights groups pressure Toomey on vote
    ENDA gains bipartisan support, test vote Monday | Steve Rothaus' Gay South Florida
    Toomey pushed to back anti-discrimination bill | TribLIVE
    Observer-Reporter | Gay rights groups pressure Toomey


    So do you think the bill will pass? this isnt whether you support the bill or not the question is do you think it will pass?

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