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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    1.)If someone presses charges what are their legal remedies?
    2.) What relief are they then entitled to should they prevail?

    1.)again there are not real remedies
    2.) entitled too??? just like now, when people are wrong NOTHING really, at least nothing "uniform" or legislated.
    what are people "entitled" to if they are fired for just being christian, black, male etc?
    are you really that unfamiliar with this topic of what happens when a person is terminated for being a Christian or woman or black etc?


    its the same the exists now, some people sue and receive money, some people simply retain their job, some companies simply pay a fine, some companies lose government licences etc etc

    like i said there is no actual remedy
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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    An employer is not allowed to ask your orientation in an interview, so I don't really see the problem.

    If you were fired for being gay, you shouldn't want to work there anyway. I mean, if you want to stay there to flaunt it and to make waves, you can - and then you'd be heckled by employees there and meant to feel miserable.

    And you'd deserve it.

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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.)again there are not real remedies
    2.) entitled too??? just like now, when people are wrong NOTHING really, at least nothing "uniform" or legislated.
    what are people "entitled" to if they are fired for just being christian, black, male etc?
    are you really that unfamiliar with this topic of what happens when a person is terminated for being a Christian or woman or black etc?


    its the same the exists now, some people sue and receive money, some people simply retain their job, some companies simply pay a fine, some companies lose government licences etc etc

    like i said there is no actual remedy
    Not familiar with the law as it something I am not interested in. I would have to say that when I talk to my rep I am going to oppose this law. Unless it applies to only government or a publicly owned corporation I believe it interferes with the fundamental rights of freedom of association and freedom of commerce amongst others. I have always been against broad application of antidiscrimination laws. They should be focused on public entities and narrowly defined which as they currently stand are not. There is too much room for interpretation and most certainly plenty of room for extortion and abuse of the law. Just like the current law is now, with the current civil standards of proof. Now if the standards of proof were beyond reasonable doubt then I might be more amenable with certain caveats, but as it stands now its just another way for attorneys to rip people off or extort them.
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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    THe bill has recently been gaining bipartisan support and there is even stories from within the GOP that insiders are also pushing for members to become supportive on this bill as it is a bill that will help be be judged on their merits and ability and not prejudiced.

    If you are unfamiliar with the bill and history read below:
    Employment Non-Discrimination Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Employment Non- Discrimination Act | Human Rights Campaign
    https://www.aclu.org/hiv-aids_lgbt-r...rimination-act

    Heres a recent article:
    Bipartisan support boosts gay rights legislation


    I myself am skeptical that it will pass but this, IMO has been the most optimistic views on it, its been around since 95 or so i believe.

    Im going to vote yes but Im not too confident, its seems one of my own state senators could be part of the deciding votes. Ive already written to him and expressed how he should definitely support this bill and protect the right of fellow americans against discrimination whether they have different views or not becaue they are worthy of the same rights and protections as the rest of us.


    Additional News Links:
    Opinion: Workplace equality for gays gets serious support - CNN.com
    Gay rights groups pressure Toomey on vote
    ENDA gains bipartisan support, test vote Monday | Steve Rothaus' Gay South Florida
    Toomey pushed to back anti-discrimination bill | TribLIVE
    Observer-Reporter | Gay rights groups pressure Toomey


    So do you think the bill will pass? this isnt whether you support the bill or not the question is do you think it will pass?

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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    1.)Not familiar with the law as it something I am not interested in. I would have to say that when I talk to my rep I am going to oppose this law.
    2.) Unless it applies to only government or a publicly owned corporation I believe it interferes with the fundamental rights of freedom of association and freedom of commerce amongst others.
    3.) I have always been against broad application of antidiscrimination laws.
    4.) They should be focused on public entities and narrowly defined which as they currently stand are not.
    5.) There is too much room for interpretation and most certainly plenty of room for extortion and abuse of the law.
    6.)Just like the current law is now, with the current civil standards of proof.
    7.)Now if the standards of proof were beyond reasonable doubt then I might be more amenable with certain caveats, but as it stands now its just another way for attorneys to rip people off or extort them.
    1.) then you should study up on it before making a decision based on guess, just saying that would be logical
    2.) freedom of association is fully intact just like it is now for everything else. Unless you somehow believe its already doesn't exists.
    3.) whats broad about specifically specifying who is protected and how?
    4.) why arent they? i think they are VERY specific by definition.
    5.) this isnt a problem with the protections but people, companies and lawyers. the Whole system has this flaw doesnt mean you get rid of it you figure out how to curb the actual problem.
    6.) again see #5 i dont see any proof.
    7,9 again your issue is with bad lawyers not the law

    Ill take equalty and rights being protected everytime with people trying to use loop holes for personal gain than i will just abandoning protecting those qualities and rights. Its not even a contest IMO.
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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    An employer is not allowed to ask your orientation in an interview, so I don't really see the problem.

    If you were fired for being gay, you shouldn't want to work there anyway. I mean, if you want to stay there to flaunt it and to make waves, you can - and then you'd be heckled by employees there and meant to feel miserable.

    And you'd deserve it.
    Actually where state or city law doesn't ban it, they can ask at the interview. It sure didn't stop the NFL from asking rookies. I've also worked at a few dead end summer jobs in rural area and the coworkers do get all nosy about your private life. Even office jobs, they have pictures of their wife and kids and bring them to functions, so i can understand why gay employees would want to do the same.

    In my uncle's case at a regional bank, the other workers would have been fine with it so he would not have been heckled. It's just his boss was a religious nut. Obviously if his boss had found out and he was fired, he wasn't going to get a positive work reference from them, benefits he had worked 25 years for, or treated any differently from a worker who stole from the company. In this case under ENDA, his boss would have to weigh the risk of getting sued. There is that minimal protection at least.

    As to why work there, he left at the earliest opportunity, but in the meantime it's very stressful. Consider that older workers started with companies decades ago, when there was no alternative. Even a lateral career move across the country is difficult and takes time in your 50s, especially if you've just been fired.

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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    With the right wing nuts in the house currently, no.


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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    it effects businesses with 15 or more employees
    If it's a right and just concept, and it doesn't require some outrageous outlay of money to implement like an ADA upgrade would, then why allow smaller businesses to be exempt? Doesn't this just re-enforce the inequality concept even more?
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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) then you should study up on it before making a decision based on guess, just saying that would be logical
    2.) freedom of association is fully intact just like it is now for everything else. Unless you somehow believe its already doesn't exists.
    3.) whats broad about specifically specifying who is protected and how?
    4.) why arent they? i think they are VERY specific by definition.
    5.) this isnt a problem with the protections but people, companies and lawyers. the Whole system has this flaw doesnt mean you get rid of it you figure out how to curb the actual problem.
    6.) again see #5 i dont see any proof.
    7,9 again your issue is with bad lawyers not the law

    Ill take equalty and rights being protected everytime with people trying to use loop holes for personal gain than i will just abandoning protecting those qualities and rights. Its not even a contest IMO.
    You want more law I want less. You seem to be under the impression that more law equals equality. I believe you are mistaken.

    Freedom of association is just that the freedom to associate or not associate with whomever you want in what ever capacity you want. This law basically says if I have a business that employs more than 15 people I must keep or hire people I may not associate with otherwise. That by definition is a limitation of my freedom of association no matter how much you protest otherwise. It is MY subjective view that counts and I see it as an abridgement. Therefor I cannot and will not support the law and will fight it. I also believe it and abridgement of my right to property and commerce.

    If we were talking about and making law for just public entities such as government and publicly held corporations I would be saying anything other than regulating asshatery is a pointless endeavor.

    The partial cure to the problem would be to make the standard of proof in civil cases the same as criminal cases. Beyond reasonable doubt and unanimous verdicts. Quite frankly no more laws of ANY kind should be passed until such time as the mess we call the justice system is cleaned up.

    As a side note. If I have a business under 15 people I don't have to comply. What kind of unethical horse crap is that? Either ALL private entities have to comply or none.
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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    1.)You want more law I want less.
    2.) You seem to be under the impression that more law equals equality. I believe you are mistaken.
    3.) Freedom of association is just that the freedom to associate or not associate with whomever you want in what ever capacity you want.
    4.) This law basically says if I have a business that employs more than 15 people I must keep or hire people I may not associate with otherwise.
    5.) That by definition is a limitation of my freedom of association no matter how much you protest otherwise.
    6.) It is MY subjective view that counts and I see it as an abridgment. Therefor I cannot and will not support the law and will fight it. I also believe it and abridgement of my right to property and commerce.
    7.) If we were talking about and making law for just public entities such as government and publicly held corporations I would be saying anything other than regulating asshatery is a pointless endeavor.
    8.) The partial cure to the problem would be to make the standard of proof in civil cases the same as criminal cases. Beyond reasonable doubt and unanimous verdicts. Quite frankly no more laws of ANY kind should be passed until such time as the mess we call the justice system is cleaned up.
    9.) As a side note. If I have a business under 15 people I don't have to comply. What kind of unethical horse crap is that? Either ALL private entities have to comply or none.
    1.) no i just want rights protected, you do not
    2.) nope never even suggested that but law needs to protect rights
    3.) yes i know and that exists right now
    4.) 100% false
    5.) see 4#
    6.) no your subjective view is meaningless to facts but yes you are free to fill however you want no matter how much proves otherwise
    7.) but we arent
    8.) im fine with this again thats a problem with people, judges, lawyers etc, not the law.
    Fight to clean up the justice system i also fight for that but at no time will i abandon my fellow citizens and allow them to be illegally discriminated against and not have equal rights.
    9.) I also think this is weird and it shouldnt be in thier but id bet anything it was added by a opponent to the bill.

    like i said Ill take equality and rights being protected everytime with people trying to use loop holes for personal gain than i will just abandoning protecting those qualities and rights. Its not even a contest IMO.
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