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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    So you are justifying discrimination for convenience sake?
    If that was a joke I missed it. If it was a serious question, I missed it as well.

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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    I hope it doesn't pass. We don't need more of our rights violated, so that others can benefit.

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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Well, apart from the usual suspects (religious statists), there may be some libertarians who object to anti-discrimination laws as violation of the freedom of association. That's a separate complicated topic, but in any case, if and as long as we do have such laws, it makes no sense to exclude gays and lesbians from being covered by their protection.
    The only thing I would agree to is the complete repeal of all public accommodation laws. I see no benefit in expanding something that violates the rights of people.

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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I hope it doesn't pass. We don't need more of our rights violated, so that others can benefit.
    I dont know if this bill will pass yet but one thing that makes me happy is the majority of Americans disagree with your opinion.
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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    A.) it applies to us all and simply adds sexual orientation to the list of things that cant be discriminate against.

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    B.) there are no "remedies" it will just be illegal and will be a deterrent and will cut down on it just like it has for the other reasons
    So it applies to public and private entities alike regardless of size? You misunderstand, if it is illegal to discriminate on this basis, what legal remedies do those who claim to be harmed, have?
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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The only thing I would agree to is the complete repeal of all public accommodation laws. I see no benefit in expanding something that violates the rights of people.
    I understand where you are coming from, and I would say that in an ideal society truly private businesses (those not taking subsidies, receiving contracts from the government, targeted tax breaks, etc. ) should be able to discriminate, for whatever reason or without reason whatsoever - while we should diligently boycott those that actually do.

    However, I don't believe the "expansion of the violation" argument holds water. When we institute an unjust law, and then make some people exempt from it, we are not curbing the injustice but adding to it.

    Let's say, anti-discrimination laws are unjust; does it improve the situation if you exempt one particular group - the gay-haters - while taking away the freedom of association of the racists, the misogynists, the religion-bashers, and occasional innocent bystanders?

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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    For the public sector, discrimination based on orientation is wrong.

    For the private sector, I support the business owner. If he doesn't want to hire you because you're gay, black, atheist, or because you have a nose growing out of your forehead, bummer for you. Commerce reigns absolute over a bunch of people bitching about some odd perception of "fair".

    Legislation like this is a tool for the weak.

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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    1.)So it applies to public and private entities alike regardless of size?
    2.)You misunderstand, if it is illegal to discriminate on this basis, what legal remedies do those who claim to be harmed, have?
    the many links in the OP and the thread give this information

    it effects businesses with 15 or more employees

    2.) no i didnt misunderstand there really are no real remedies.

    Just like now if a company breaks the law they may get caught on their own or someone may report them and press charges.
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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    the many links in the OP and the thread give this information

    it effects businesses with 15 or more employees

    2.) no i didnt misunderstand there really are no real remedies.

    Just like now if a company breaks the law they may get caught on their own or someone may report them and press charges.
    If someone presses charges what are their legal remedies? What relief are they then entitled to should they prevail?
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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    First off, mashed potatoes are awesome.

    Secondly, I hope it passes, but I don't believe it will, sadly.
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