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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    I truly love mashed potatoes.

    I think there are viable concerns it could be abused and concerns as to how an employer would even know if an employee is gay. Such a law would not stop employers from firing employees because they are gay, it would simply incentivize those who do to be quiet about their motives. This would be largely symbolic, just as it nondiscrimination legislation for other groups is, and it may be viewed as an attempt to impose acceptance of homosexuality on others. I think the true value of the legislation is it takes a stand that whatever legally consenting romantic or sexual relationships people engage in has absolutely nothing to do with their ability to do their work and is not a viable grounds for discriminating on the basis of employment. I don't think anyone has any religious right to discipline or fire an employee for conduct outside of work they find immoral as long as that behavior is legal and does not interfere with their ability to perform their job duties.
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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    well this is true about everything but sadly thats a problem with people, lawyers and the courts
    You know what you call 1,000 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean? A good start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    1.)I truly love mashed potatoes.

    2.)I think there are viable concerns it could be abused and concerns as to how an employer would even know if an employee is gay. Such a law would not stop employers from firing employees because they are gay, it would simply incentivize those who do to be quiet about their motives.
    3.)This would be largely symbolic, just as it nondiscrimination legislation for other groups is, and it may be viewed as an attempt to impose acceptance of homosexuality on others.
    4.)I think the true value of the legislation is it takes a stand that whatever legally consenting romantic or sexual relationships people engage in has absolutely nothing to do with their ability to do their work and is not a viable grounds for discriminating on the basis of employment.
    5.) I don't think anyone has any religious right to discipline or fire an employee for conduct outside of work they find immoral as long as that behavior is legal and does not interfere with their ability to perform their job duties.
    1.) me too, thats why i made it multiple choice lol and i myself didnt even vote for them
    2.) this is very true but it does help and cut down on discrimination in general so i think its much needed just like it is for gender, religion, race etc
    3.) some people htink everything is mean to impose acceptance but that simple cant be imposed or legislated.
    4.) agreed and its not viable grounds
    5.) I agree but at times "interfere with job duties" is subjective and could vary from job to job.
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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    THe bill has recently been gaining bipartisan support and there is even stories from within the GOP that insiders are also pushing for members to become supportive on this bill as it is a bill that will help be be judged on their merits and ability and not prejudiced.

    If you are unfamiliar with the bill and history read below:
    Employment Non-Discrimination Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Employment Non- Discrimination Act | Human Rights Campaign
    https://www.aclu.org/hiv-aids_lgbt-r...rimination-act

    Heres a recent article:
    Bipartisan support boosts gay rights legislation


    I myself am skeptical that it will pass but this, IMO has been the most optimistic views on it, its been around since 95 or so i believe.

    Im going to vote yes but Im not too confident, its seems one of my own state senators could be part of the deciding votes. Ive already written to him and expressed how he should definitely support this bill and protect the right of fellow americans against discrimination whether they have different views or not becaue they are worthy of the same rights and protections as the rest of us.


    Additional News Links:
    Opinion: Workplace equality for gays gets serious support - CNN.com
    Gay rights groups pressure Toomey on vote
    ENDA gains bipartisan support, test vote Monday | Steve Rothaus' Gay South Florida
    Toomey pushed to back anti-discrimination bill | TribLIVE
    Observer-Reporter | Gay rights groups pressure Toomey


    So do you think the bill will pass? this isnt whether you support the bill or not the question is do you think it will pass?

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    Who does the law apply to, A. B what are the proposed remedies?
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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Since I can't imagine why congress wouldn't vote to end discrimination against gays in the workplace, I voted "Yes, I think it will pass."
    Well, apart from the usual suspects (religious statists), there may be some libertarians who object to anti-discrimination laws as violation of the freedom of association. That's a separate complicated topic, but in any case, if and as long as we do have such laws, it makes no sense to exclude gays and lesbians from being covered by their protection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Who does the law apply to, A. B what are the proposed remedies?
    A.) it applies to us all and simply adds sexual orientation to the list of things that cant be discriminate against.

    Race
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    Origin etc

    B.) there are no "remedies" it will just be illegal and will be a deterrent and will cut down on it just like it has for the other reasons
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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    Seems to me that during the past 10 years the SSM debate has kind of dwarfed these other big issues. I saw some article the other day that most americans think ENDA already applies to sexuality and they're shocked to find out it doesn't. That's how awful our fed (and most states) government is.

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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    You know what you call 1,000 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean? A good start.
    So you are justifying discrimination for convenience sake?

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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Seems to me that during the past 10 years the SSM debate has kind of dwarfed these other big issues. I saw some article the other day that most americans think ENDA already applies to sexuality and they're shocked to find out it doesn't. That's how awful our fed (and most states) government is.
    I agree and i myself am guilty of that in the past i thought AA/EO protected this but it doesnt not and its a shame
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    Re: Do you think the ENDA bill will finally pass? (Employment Non-Discrimination Act)

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    I agree and i myself am guilty of that in the past i though AA/EO protected this but it doesnt not and its a shame
    There's a couple others i can think of too...The blood donation policy, age of consent, housing. But i guess one thing at a time.

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