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    Re: Would you quit your job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I own my house. It is paid off. Why would I have to move out of my house, or sell my car, for that matter. If I quit my job I would keep them.
    The only way I'd quit my job is if I suddenly became a multi millionaire. Fat chance in hell of that happening.

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    Re: Would you quit your job?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The ability to consider the future is already endemic in the individual being questioned. There is no addition, as it is pre-existent.
    Considering the future within the parameters set. You add parameters, you alter the question.

    Since no parameters for any of those items were included, there is no alteration occurring. It's as if you were to argue that if one were to take this deal, they could not then dye their hair a different color.
    Since that would not impact the outcome, that's a non-sequitur.

    The dispute is over what the rules are. Is this a trade that, unlike any other in human society, forever imprisons all action? Or is it one that is (what it obviously is) an addition/modification/proposal in the context of a welfare state, which does not unless explicitly drawn out.
    There is a difference between a practical application and a philosophical question. Practically, anyone can do what they want. Philosophically, the OP asks a narrow question to understand an individual's personal philosophy.

    Yeah. 0230 is too late to be arguing about this stuff.

    The left/right breakdown I find interesting for two reasons:

    1. As described above, the assumption about the nature of freedom of action - is all action free that is not restricted, or is all action restricted that is not freed?

    2. There seems to be a need of some here on the left to deny people the ability to make rational decisions if those rational decisions then leave them taking advantage of the welfare state. Why can we not discuss how people interact with the welfare state honestly - that they do so based (most usually) on their own self-interest?
    This actually has zero to do with what I am discussing. You are confusing the practical application of the situation (which I am NOT arguing) vs. the personal philosophy of the individual (which I am also not arguing, but AM processing). What I found interesting in the left/right break down is that those on the left are arguing for a rigid interpretation of the OP, whereas those on the right are arguing for a VERY loose interpretation of the OP. I found that rather interesting and contradictory.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Would you quit your job?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Apparently not since I'm getting by just fine on not much more money than this.
    I live here. I'm pretty sure of I'm aware of the costs, HERE. What they are for you where you live is irrelevant to my statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Would you quit your job?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No - if you are unemployed, you have a job. Somewhere that you are going to show up to for some time and get paychecks from. If you took $50 from someone to mow their lawn, you are not employed, and not counted as employed. If you claim to be looking for work, and take $50 to mow a lawn, you still count as unemployed. The receipt of benefits (in this case, a $25K monetary transfer) is dependent upon a definition of unemployment different than the one you are seeking to have applied.
    No, if you work you are employed. A check of $50 can be considered a paycheck and CAN be applied to your income tax return. Now we can keep going round and round about this, but I can tell you that I will not be altering my position. If you are in the same boat, it might be time to call it a draw.

    PM? Threaten to speak sarcastically about him downstairs if he doesn't make a ruling?
    Nah. Not REALLY that important.

    Correct - and the OP sets two: 1. quit your current job and 2. remain unemployed. Those are the only restrictions.
    No, those are the parameters. Anything additional goes beyond the parameters.

    it's very possible I'm projecting - as an ENTP, I love the variety and cut-and-thrust of the place, as well as the ability to develop expertise. But I had thought that introverts were also less likely to engage in conflict?
    Depends on the venue. As an INTJ I have no issue in engaging in conflict.

    In this poll yes - as I pointed out above, those on the left seem to have an ideological vested interest in demonstrating that people will not cheat a social welfare system, whereas those on the right have a vested interest in demonstrating precisely that fact. In RL, very few are trying to make that precise argument with their own individual choices, and those who morally or ideologically are suspicious or oppose a welfare state are less likely to seek to leverage it than those who approve and encourage it, which is one of the reasons why I argue that this place is not representative. Over the years I've given up thousands of dollars because I felt obliged to stick to my beliefs in my personal life.
    Or, perhaps the responses had nothing to do with this, but with what I stated in my previous post. Interpretation became reversed.


    Wait - that wasn't clear from the first post?
    Somewhat, but it became more clear when people started responding.

    Or I am correct for the reasons described above - that DP is not representative of GP.
    No, since the types of interpretation were reversed ideologically, this has nothing to do with whether DP is representative of GP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Would you quit your job?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well that depends on your expenses. Do you have a car payment, credit cards, etc.? There are all kinds of variables that would effect your ability to survive on that amount of money, and I have to say it would be very difficult to survive in my part of the country on that small amount of money too.
    That's the good part about living responsibly: no debt.

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    Re: Would you quit your job?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I live here. I'm pretty sure of I'm aware of the costs, HERE. What they are for you where you live is irrelevant to my statement.
    You said here, so I figured you were implying that you live in Los Angeles also. Outside of San Francisco or Manhattan, there aren't many places more expensive than here.

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    Re: Would you quit your job?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    That's the good part about living responsibly: no debt.
    Most people are carrying some kind of debt.

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    Re: Would you quit your job?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Most people are carrying some kind of debt.
    That's because most people make financially destructive decisions. Consumer debt isn't helpful, it's harmful.

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    Re: Would you quit your job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    If you were guaranteed a $25,000/year income by the government would you quit your job and stay unemployed?

    I know I wouldn't, how about you?
    No, I wouldn't. I am one who has to feel like I am doing something productive, in order to earn my keep. If I voluntarily depended on the government, and did not contribute to my own well-being, my conscience would bother me.
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    Re: Would you quit your job?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That's because most people make financially destructive decisions. Consumer debt isn't helpful, it's harmful.
    Because some people wouldn't be able to have anything if they didn't take out loans because the price of things is out of reach, especially homes and vehicles. Did you pay cash for your home?

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