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    Re: Would you quit your job?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    I once made $27,000 a year working in an air conditioned office with free donuts every day and BBQ dinners on most Fridays. It was much easier than mowing grass.
    True Story. When I switched to restaraunts, my life became much easier, and I could pretty much eat a meal and a half for free every day. All hail the power of air conditioning. My workday was cut in half, too. However, I got the posts that I did in that job because I demonstrated a work ethic and capability superior to those of my coworkers.

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    Re: Would you quit your job?

    I said no, but I would probably do it right up until my wife found out.
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    Re: Would you quit your job?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Unemployment as determined by the government to give out benefits (such as a minimum income of $25,000, annual) remains unemployment as determined by the government as pertains to access to government benefits. The goalpost remains precisely where the OP put it.
    Nope. If you earn money, you change the goalposts of the OP.

    The only goalpost that the OP outlined is A) you quit your current employment (whatever it is) B) you remain in an unemployed status and C) you get precisely $25,000. Nothing whatsoever was said about your living standards, up, down, or the same. Nothing was said about living in the same place, with the same number of people under your roof, etc. A=B=C, and that was it. No other qualifiers.
    You just changed the goalposts when you said "you remain in an unemployed STATUS".

    ....Such as, for example, this. Now in reality, certainly people would make decisions.... roughly in this manner (I am not so convinced that people are that rational); however, whether or not people make this switch without effecting (or only through lowering) their standard of living was not a premise or a requirement of the question in the OP. Which makes my point that for some their standard of living would not be significantly altered or even improved both relevant according to your own reasoning and not an instance of moving the goalposts, as no goalposts were moved, but rather the process through which people might arrive at a "yes" decision was described.
    The OP was an either/or scenario. Adding all these loopholes and altering the goalposts makes the point of the OP completely irrelevant. Now, if some folks want to do this, that's fine, but I will not engage in it and call it out.

    Indeed - that and pride.
    Perhaps.

    However:

    A. Posters on DP are hardly representative.
    I don't completely agree. I think we have a wide range of folks from very different walks of life.

    B. Even if they were, 14.77% of the American populace is a little more than 45 million people. That is about 93% of the current population on food stamps.
    I have no idea what you are getting at.
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    Re: Would you quit your job?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No, it doesn't. The OP makes no requirement for behavior other than A) you quit your current job and B) remain in an unemployed status. Saying "well if you co-habitate, that's a loophole" is as reason-less as claiming "well, if you decide to reduce your expenses, or if you decide to order cheeseburgers instead of chicken sandwhiches, that's not covered under the OP. Of course it's not covered under the OP - the universe of potential human actions is impossible to describe, which is why the OP only limited required actions to qualify to two: quit your current job, and remain in an unemployed status. Anything else you would do is (by the laws imposed by the OP) completely up to you.
    Yes it does. You adding "status" alters the OP. The OP is either/or. Any alteration that variates from it changes the premise. If I had a billion dollars in the bank, that would be an entirely different scenario and have a different impact on my decision then if I had zero dollars in the bank. The OP assumes no loopholes and all things being equal. If not, then the OP question is pretty irrelevant.
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    Re: Would you quit your job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I thought it was kind of your job to figure that stuff out on your own?
    And who said I didn't?
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    Re: Would you quit your job?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No loopholes have been added. I have simply described how people can make the "yes" decision work for them better than you are describing.
    That's adding loopholes and changing the goalposts.

    The goalposts of A) quit your current job and B) remain in an unemployed status remain as the only necessary qualifiers for C) get $25,000. Since the OP said nothing about a living standards or a household income requirement, cohabitation is not a "loophole" as there is nothing to avoid. Similarly, since a person doing odd jobs remains in an "unemployed" status, he continues to fulfill the requirements of the OP.
    "Status" equals changing the goalposts.

    You are working really hard here to cover for having overextended.
    Not at all. You seem to be working really hard to change the parameters of the OP so it fits your answers.

    The entire universe of potential conditions is equally impossible to describe. It would change the assumption of the question from "starting where you are today" to "where could you start from", but it would be another way to describe the same phenomenon - that many people would effectively vote "yes", and take the money.
    However, MY OP question would more accurately illustrate the answers given by some here... especially you. And it would delineate what would make someone choose "yes" or choose "no'.
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    Re: Would you quit your job?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Nope. If you earn money, you change the goalposts of the OP.
    Wrong. If you become employed you violate one of the conditions of the OP's proposition.

    You just changed the goalposts when you said "you remain in an unemployed STATUS".
    I would argue that the status is fairly implicit. Why don't we ask him.

    The OP was an either/or scenario. Adding all these loopholes and altering the goalposts makes the point of the OP completely irrelevant. Now, if some folks want to do this, that's fine, but I will not engage in it and call it out.
    Cohabitation, or the multiple side-benefits of free time are neither loopholes nor goalpost-altering. They are the exact same discussion that you claimed was relevant when you discussed how people would go about making that decision.

    I don't completely agree. I think we have a wide range of folks from very different walks of life.
    Who are far more likely to be extroverts with a weird tendency to stay up late at night arguing about nonentities such as the meaning of "unemployment". Wide variety? Check. Different walks of life? You betcha. Representative of the American public......? What percentage of DPer's, do you suppose, could name the Vice President? What percentage of general populace do you think could?

    I have no idea what you are getting at.
    You referenced the poll as a demonstration that people broadly were taking a loss of living standards into account when casting their vote. At the time I wrote that, "Yes" had 14.77% of the votes. So, if you are correct and DPers are representative, then that is the rough portion of the populace that would be taking advantage of this deal, placing a massive and unsustainable strain on our budget.

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    Re: Would you quit your job?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Yes it does. You adding "status" alters the OP. The OP is either/or. Any alteration that variates from it changes the premise. If I had a billion dollars in the bank, that would be an entirely different scenario and have a different impact on my decision then if I had zero dollars in the bank. The OP assumes no loopholes and all things being equal. If not, then the OP question is pretty irrelevant.
    The OP only says "you", indicating that the assumption is, well, you. Not a you in an alternate universe where Uncle Warbucks left you a cool billion. As for adding "status", the argument remains the exact same if you remove the word. You can do odd jobs and pick up cash and remain unemployed, as demonstrated by the people who do so.

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    Re: Would you quit your job?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    That's adding loopholes and changing the goalposts.
    No, it's not. Since household size, habitation, etc. were never a condition in the first place, describing their effects on the decision cannot be a changing of goalposts as those goalposts never existed in the first place to be changed.

    Not at all. You seem to be working really hard to change the parameters of the OP so it fits your answers.
    Quite the contrary. I have only argued that there are people who would choose "yes" to the original question of the OP, and described some of the reasons they would do so. It is you who are attempting to add in extra restrictions that are not in the OP.

    However, MY OP question would more accurately illustrate the answers given by some here... especially you. And it would delineate what would make someone choose "yes" or choose "no'.
    It would ask each individual to specifically describe their reasoning - that would be the main qualitative addition.

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    Re: Would you quit your job?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Wrong. If you become employed you violate one of the conditions of the OP's proposition.
    Nope. You work you violate the conditions of the OP.

    I would argue that the status is fairly implicit. Why don't we ask him.
    And I would argue that it isn't, but I think we SHOULD ask him and settle this once an for all. It would resolve what he meant by his OP: was it open ended as you seem to believe, or closed as I do?


    Cohabitation, or the multiple side-benefits of free time are neither loopholes nor goalpost-altering. They are the exact same discussion that you claimed was relevant when you discussed how people would go about making that decision.
    No. Their difference is that people would make the decision based on their CURRENT or PAST situation, not on what would/could happen in the future. For example, if they ALREADY cohabited, that could play into their decision, as I said. I said nothing of future changes which has nothing to do with the OP.

    Who are far more likely to be extroverts with a weird tendency to stay up late at night arguing about nonentities such as the meaning of "unemployment".
    I would submit that these would be introverts.

    Wide variety? Check. Different walks of life? You betcha. Representative of the American public......? What percentage of DPer's, do you suppose, could name the Vice President? What percentage of general populace do you think could?
    Political knowledge is really not an issue in this question. It is more philosophical than political.

    You referenced the poll as a demonstration that people broadly were taking a loss of living standards into account when casting their vote. At the time I wrote that, "Yes" had 14.77% of the votes. So, if you are correct and DPers are representative, then that is the rough portion of the populace that would be taking advantage of this deal, placing a massive and unsustainable strain on our budget.
    Here's the problem with your analysis. Those who voted "yes" were not taking a loss of living standards into consideration or didn't believe it would affect their living standards. So, unless you believe it would, your analysis doesn't apply.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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