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    Re: Would you quit your job?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    As soon as you add any income from work, the premise of the OP is not met.
    Incorrect. As soon as you add any income from work that is reported to the government, the premise of the OP (as I understand it) is not met. We have a large cash economy of part time low-skill work that is not reported, and participating is literally easy enough that children do it regularly. The premise of the OP is that you quit your job and remain in an unemployed status - which does not mean performing no labor for remuneration, but rather that you continue to remain officially unemployed.

    If you change your lifestyle, then the premise of the OP is not met. Your post changes the goalposts.
    On the contrary:

    1. My post points out how this change could either not alter or even improve people's lifestyles.

    2. Here is the OP: If you were guaranteed a $25,000/year income by the government would you quit your job and stay unemployed? I know I wouldn't, how about you? You will note there is nothing about relative lifestyle in it.

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    Re: Would you quit your job?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    As soon as you add "off the book" income or two cohabitating adults, you change the goalposts of the OP... which is what you did.
    Again, here is the OP: If you were guaranteed a $25,000/year income by the government would you quit your job and stay unemployed? I know I wouldn't, how about you?

    You will note that it includes nothing whatsoever about who you are habitating with.

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    Re: Would you quit your job?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Yeah, a BA in Psychology is pretty worthless if you stop there and want to make a decent salary.
    Yeah, it's interesting... but so is philosophy. Both are hobbies if you don't want to go for the full-gig.

    But I'm surprised - it's not considered a BS?

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    Re: Would you quit your job?

    Folks... look at the OP poll question. It ends with "remain unemployed". Once you add ANY work, even work that is "under the table" you change the goalposts and are employed. This negates the premise of the OP.

    And I'd still like to understand the motivation of folks arguing for taking the money. Something feels suspicious about it.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    Re: Would you quit your job?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Folks... look at the OP poll question. It ends with "remain unemployed". Once you add ANY work, even work that is "under the table" you change the goalposts and are employed. This negates the premise of the OP.
    It seems to rather implicitly require remaining in a recognized status of unemployment as a requirement for receiving government benefit. In that way, we can assess that it is similar to current "unemployed" individuals who nonetheless do other labor for which they get money. When you help out Bob down the street by getting your cousin to pay him $150 to help him clear out a tree that fell in his yard? That's cash under-the-table employment, and Bob remains unemployed. He has no steady job. He doesn't fall out of an unemployed status for 8 hours and then fall back into it, and his benefits reflect that lack of change in status, as they are not pro-rated.

    And I'd still like to understand the motivation of folks arguing for taking the money. Something feels suspicious about it.
    people would. Especially given that, with a very few simple steps (such as cohabitation) you can live very comfortably on such a policy. It would be socially destructive as hell, mind you, as it would likely come with a $25k marriage penalty for our poorest population, but that doesn't mean that people wouldn't take up that offer. As evidence by inverse, consider the effects of adding a job requirement in the welfare reform of the 90s - people went out and got jobs. Presumably, they could have gotten them prior to that date, and did not do so because the effort of working and loss of time at home was not worth the marginal gain in income.

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    Re: Would you quit your job?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Incorrect. As soon as you add any income from work that is reported to the government, the premise of the OP (as I understand it) is not met. We have a large cash economy of part time low-skill work that is not reported, and participating is literally easy enough that children do it regularly. The premise of the OP is that you quit your job and remain in an unemployed status - which does not mean performing no labor for remuneration, but rather that you continue to remain officially unemployed.
    Nope. Employed is employed. You make money from a job and the goalposts are changed.

    On the contrary:

    1. My post points out how this change could either not alter or even improve people's lifestyles.
    Actually it doesn't since it changes the goalposts.

    2. Here is the OP: If you were guaranteed a $25,000/year income by the government would you quit your job and stay unemployed? I know I wouldn't, how about you? You will note there is nothing about relative lifestyle in it.
    So, how would someone make that decision? Not in a vacuum. They would assess pluses and minuses for both options. For most, and the poll demonstrates this, a major factor in the decision would be whether or not one's lifestyle would be significantly altered. This is a reasonable variable in making this decision and one that most see could not be attained, hence the "no" vote.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
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    Re: Would you quit your job?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You're going to be hitting some pretty big lawns for $50 per - 33 yards per week comes out to 5-6 lawns a day, but a 50 dollar lawn is going to take you at least two hours to get to, mow, clean up, and leave (minimum) - so that's about 12 hours a day for 6 days a week. Minimum.

    Just my own experience. Unless you are selling to real estate agencies - then you can charge more because it's not their money.
    but Johndylan said,

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1
    "Go buy yourself a mower and weedeater, live in the south, and work your ass off. You'll make better that 47,000.
    Are you saying that he was exaggerating?

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    Re: Would you quit your job?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Again, here is the OP: If you were guaranteed a $25,000/year income by the government would you quit your job and stay unemployed? I know I wouldn't, how about you?

    You will note that it includes nothing whatsoever about who you are habitating with.
    Changes the goalposts. It is pretty obvious from the spirit of the OP that this is a singular situation. It's either/or. Every time you add a "loophole" you change the goalposts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Would you quit your job?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yeah, it's interesting... but so is philosophy. Both are hobbies if you don't want to go for the full-gig.

    But I'm surprised - it's not considered a BS?
    Some schools give a BS. Depends on where you go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Would you quit your job?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    but Johndylan said,

    Are you saying that he was exaggerating?
    what I described was someone working their butt off, as he said. He forgot to add you need a truck, and plenty of gas and a cooler of water.

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