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Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?


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I don't think it has, but it was a smack across the old Chevy Chase...

Luckily our leaders and their counterparts in the UK are a little more mature than most other people and won't let something so silly have any impact whatsoever.
 
OTHER: There are no US allies who ARE trustworthy.

The top 5 are all in the iffy zone. The Egyptian Military and the U.S. military have a very close working relationship and as long as the Muslim Brotherhood stays out of power I do not see that working relationship coming to a halt. The Saudis are our ally as long as we can guarentee the royal family stays in power and will work with us. So these two are more trustworthy than the last three although trustworthyness is very questionable depending on the circumstances or happenings withing each of these two countries borders.

Karzi and Malic I don't trust one bit. They will bend in the wind in whatever direction it is blowing. Pakistan, we need them a whole lot more than they need us, at least for the present. But of these three, I do not think Pakistan would ever turn on us 100%, they need us to counter balance India as it is India they are most fearful of.

So that list boils down to two IMO, Iraq and Afghanistan. I could go into all the things this country has done wrong in Afghanistan turning friendly tribes who liked us a lot into enemies. Then there is Iraq who is playing footsie with Iran. Call it a draw for the time being. Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
Perotista, I don't believe the US has ANY trustworthy allies at all. I'm not just talking about the ones on this list.
 
No question that Pakistan's support of the Taliban and OBL are the deciding factors. Also the Pakistan ISI Gen Mahmoud was a $50,000 paymaster to Mohammed Atta and when the USA first invaded Afghanistan their military advance stalled three days at either Kandahar or Khost while the Pakistan ISI flew out thousands of their troops that were fighting with the Taliban. The CIA based allegiances of our Nation need to be independently evaluated. The Saudis were a close second. Another septic tank of radical anti USA activity. Although, a case can be made that the USA is not such a good guy either.
 
Idk about civilized. A few of the cities were somewhat civilized. That place is frozen in the 1700's man. Internet cafe's and a nightclub don't make a city civilized lol.

You sure it is the 17000's? I was never there but it looks like the middle ages from here?
 
Countries that live in glass houses shouldn't fire cruise missiles.
 
The way the US is going right now you might not have many allies left...
 
This is completely wrong. The alliance between us and South Korean is based on keeping the DPRK neutral, and by preventing China's fat ass from stealing another slice of the global pie. If they win, millions die, South Korea ceases to exist, and then Japan and the Philippines are next. Our presence there is completely necessary, not just for them, but for us as well.

The only anti-American "undercurrents" are in the Arab/Turkish districts who are going to hate us regardless of what we do, and college towns full of extremely liberal kids who don't have any grasp on the reality of their situation. Their opinions mean jack **** to the USFK and ROK forces. Furthermore, the South Koreans aren't just our allies, they're our friends. So yes, it's worth it. It's worth every gallon of blood spilled to repel and destroy the North Korean forces, should they decide to do something stupid. If any member of the "axis of evil" should have been destroyed, it was Jong-Il. Saddam was a puppy dog compared to him, and his father, Il-Sung.

I tend to agree, I just wanted to play devil's advocate and throw in some allies not in the middle east and to hear opinions from different angles.
 
Perotista, I don't believe the US has ANY trustworthy allies at all. I'm not just talking about the ones on this list.

I suppose that depends on how one views trustworthy. We are looking at this through different degrees of the word trustworthy. But I think I know where you are coming from and your POV.
 
Hey I know you've taken a one way trip to crazy-town, but the UK-US alliance has not ended due to a piece of artwork being moved in the White House.

Leave "crazy town" out of this, kicking Winston Churchill out of the White House was just one of the first acts Obama did during his first few days in the White House. He also raised taxes on 15% of the adults in America (cigarette .50 cents tax) and lied for four years saying he hasn't raised taxes on anyone.

But outing a British double agent to help him get reelected was as bad as kicking Winston Churchill out of the White House.
I don't think there's one country in the world who trust America.

If your going to spy on ally heads of state, keep it a secret.
 
Perotista, I don't believe the US has ANY trustworthy allies at all. I'm not just talking about the ones on this list.

What about Canada? We freaking share NORAD with them.
 
We committed the same crimes in Vietnam, something fellow Koreans always overlook while raging about crimes committed by USFK)..


Right after the Tet Offensive of 68 many noticed that Hoi An was the only large city in South Vietnam that wasn't attacked by the VC. The conclusion was Hoi An was the TAR of the 2nd ROK Marine Brigade (Blue Dragons.)

Charley didn't like messing around with the Blue Dragons and the ROK Tiger division.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/29/world/asia/us-disrupts-afghans-tack-on-militants.html?_r=0



This recent article reminded me of some of the countries that over the last decade we've called friends, who time and again have looked very unfriendly. Of the following countries, which do you think is the most untrustworthy US ally?

Afghanistan: Besides the latest episode, a spate of "green-on-green" attacks where Afghan troops have turned on American troops, corruption in the government, and a seemingly never-ending deployment of our troops in the country make this an uneasy alliance.

Pakistan: This country is guilty of failing to locate Bin Laden in their midst, allowing the ISI to support the Afghan insurgency and Taliban, having little control over their territory, and having an extremely un-American populace. Add nukes into the mix and this is a volatile partnership that is still struggling.

Egypt: While they have been an ally in the war on terror, the military coup and government instability, human rights violations, and aggressive attitudes in the populace towards Israel all take their toll.

Saudi Arabia: Famously, 15 of the 19 9-11 hijackers were Saudis, the country was home to Bin Laden, and the country is where modern radical Islam was born. In addition, misogynistic laws, barbaric executions by beheading, and a self-serving royalty are all antithetical to American ideals. Seemingly, the only reason for our alliance is our dependency on Saudi oil.

Iraq: Nominally an ally (by force), the leadership of Iraq have nevertheless proven incapable of suppressing terrorism and sectarianism in their own country, destabilizing the region. They have also cozied up to Iran, including allowing Iranian flights through their airspace to provide shipments of goods to the Assad regime in Syria. Having lost thousands of lives propping up the country, there is little yet to show for it.

Israel: Elsewhere in the middle east, our closest ally in the region nonetheless has been a thorn in our side on occasions. Besides inserting us into an intractable conflict that consumes diplomatic efforts, Israel has recently exhibited a forceful nature, involving themselves in our political affairs and pushing us towards conflicts in Syria and Iran.

France: Our oldest ally, France seems to be our most visible love-hate relationship. On one hand, our alliance is responsible for our war in Vietnam. On the other hand, France was vilified for defying Bush's drive towards war in Iraq. While most of the time we share common values, the country's pride and independence can make its relationship with us unpredictable, and certain Americans just can't abide the French attitude.

South Korea: While a strong regional ally, our relationship nonetheless is predicated on stationing thousands of American troops on the front lines of a possible future nuclear war. In addition, the American presence has resulted in strong anti-American undercurrents in the populace. Is the alliance really worth it?

Other: Is it someone else?

None are allies - all are money pits.

Screw them all - cut off all foreign funds.
 
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Everyone puts their own interests first. All alliances depend on having mutual interests. Remove the mutual interests and you no longer have an ally, and this can happen with anyone at anytime when circumstances change.

BTW we should have listened to France, they were right about Iraq.
 
If the UK wants to dump its relationship with the USA and sign up with Russia that's fine with me.

I trust the USA as a country more than Russia. I Distrust both governments equally.
 
Pakistan, crazy and nukes just don't mix.

It never stopped us, we've had just as much religious crazy in the White House as Pakistan does.
 
The moral pf this story is you cannot call a country you are holding at gunpoint a reliable ally. What makes anyone think Afghanistan and Pakistan are US allies? Pakistan has historically been China's No.1 ally in the region, and that hasn't changed.
 
normally i would say Pakistan but then you consider that america practically is the Israeli military with all the treaty's we have with them and if they decide to do anything that invokes retaliation, weve got to come in and they've brought us another war. their already doing it with Iraq and the whole middle east is standing on a pin already. i give us 10 years before something happens and we've got to go in and try to fix it.
 
Pakistan, crazy and nukes just don't mix.

I really wouldn't call Pakistan an ally though. They're are some backstabbing SOBs, who we can't trust at all. Same with Saudi Arabia.
 
Well ?, you really didn't think this poll out did you. ? (the ? no pun intended.)

Afghanistan and Iraq were never American allies.

Egypt use to be an ally until Obama threw Egypt under the bus.

Libya was also an ally fighting Al Qaeda and radical jihadist until Obama also threw them under the bus.

The United Kingdom was an alley for a hundred years until Obama disgraced the UK when one of his first action as POTUS was returning the bust of Winston Churchill that sat in the White House and returned it to the British Embassy.

When Obama bowed from the waist to every monarch he came across pretty much lost respect by every world leader.
Americans are never suppose to bow to Kings and Queens.

Those allies of the past sixty years no longer trust America. Obama spies upon them and has thrown so many former allies under the bus, you can no longer trust America.

But there is one ally who does trust Obama. MEXICO.
Obama and the radical left wants to award 10% of Mexican nationals who violated America's sovereignty with amnesty, citizenship and a big welcome to the Democrat Party with free stuff.

One of the issues that got Obama elected in the first place was the hope that he would clean up our global reputation after Bush Corp., ran it into the ground. Even though he has slightly raised our favoring, it's still not enough. Pew reports that 9 countries in their poll have better than a 75% favorable rating of the US, (compared to his predecessor's 7.)

Perhaps this is why some people call him Bush Lite?

As far as Mexico goes, the stats really haven't moved much in the past decade. One would think Obama's rating would fall since he has deported more illegals than any other president in recent times.

Opinion of the United States (2013) - Indicators Database | Pew Global Attitudes Project
 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/29/world/asia/us-disrupts-afghans-tack-on-militants.html?_r=0



This recent article reminded me of some of the countries that over the last decade we've called friends, who time and again have looked very unfriendly. Of the following countries, which do you think is the most untrustworthy US ally?

Afghanistan: Besides the latest episode, a spate of "green-on-green" attacks where Afghan troops have turned on American troops, corruption in the government, and a seemingly never-ending deployment of our troops in the country make this an uneasy alliance.

Pakistan: This country is guilty of failing to locate Bin Laden in their midst, allowing the ISI to support the Afghan insurgency and Taliban, having little control over their territory, and having an extremely un-American populace. Add nukes into the mix and this is a volatile partnership that is still struggling.

Egypt: While they have been an ally in the war on terror, the military coup and government instability, human rights violations, and aggressive attitudes in the populace towards Israel all take their toll.

Saudi Arabia: Famously, 15 of the 19 9-11 hijackers were Saudis, the country was home to Bin Laden, and the country is where modern radical Islam was born. In addition, misogynistic laws, barbaric executions by beheading, and a self-serving royalty are all antithetical to American ideals. Seemingly, the only reason for our alliance is our dependency on Saudi oil.

Iraq: Nominally an ally (by force), the leadership of Iraq have nevertheless proven incapable of suppressing terrorism and sectarianism in their own country, destabilizing the region. They have also cozied up to Iran, including allowing Iranian flights through their airspace to provide shipments of goods to the Assad regime in Syria. Having lost thousands of lives propping up the country, there is little yet to show for it.

Israel: Elsewhere in the middle east, our closest ally in the region nonetheless has been a thorn in our side on occasions. Besides inserting us into an intractable conflict that consumes diplomatic efforts, Israel has recently exhibited a forceful nature, involving themselves in our political affairs and pushing us towards conflicts in Syria and Iran.

France: Our oldest ally, France seems to be our most visible love-hate relationship. On one hand, our alliance is responsible for our war in Vietnam. On the other hand, France was vilified for defying Bush's drive towards war in Iraq. While most of the time we share common values, the country's pride and independence can make its relationship with us unpredictable, and certain Americans just can't abide the French attitude.

South Korea: While a strong regional ally, our relationship nonetheless is predicated on stationing thousands of American troops on the front lines of a possible future nuclear war. In addition, the American presence has resulted in strong anti-American undercurrents in the populace. Is the alliance really worth it?

Other: Is it someone else?

CAn we pick ourselves?
 
Luckily our leaders and their counterparts in the UK are a little more mature than most other people and won't let something so silly have any impact whatsoever.

I don't know, I've always found that when friends argue, they have a disagreement, they'll fight, they hash it out, and they'll either resolve the issue or agree to disagree. But what happen with that bust? That was a slight. Now when you slight someone, when someone truly feels slighted -- that SOB is gonna hate you til the day he dies.

Is this gonna affect relations in a major way? No. Will they be long lasting? No, once Obama is out it will be over as far as foreign relations are concerned. But to think that that act didn't have any impact, any meaning, is to not understand diplomatic relations. Where EVERY move has some sort of meaning and significance.
 
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