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  • Afghanistan

    8 8.42%
  • Pakistan

    47 49.47%
  • Egypt

    3 3.16%
  • Saudi Arabia

    15 15.79%
  • Iraq

    0 0%
  • Israel

    13 13.68%
  • France

    1 1.05%
  • South Korea

    1 1.05%
  • Other

    7 7.37%
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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Pakistan, crazy and nukes just don't mix.
    It never stopped us, we've had just as much religious crazy in the White House as Pakistan does.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It never stopped us, we've had just as much religious crazy in the White House as Pakistan does.
    Yeah, no.
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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Yeah, no.
    You had Bush claiming that Jesus was telling him what to do. Seriously?
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    The moral pf this story is you cannot call a country you are holding at gunpoint a reliable ally. What makes anyone think Afghanistan and Pakistan are US allies? Pakistan has historically been China's No.1 ally in the region, and that hasn't changed.
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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    normally i would say Pakistan but then you consider that america practically is the Israeli military with all the treaty's we have with them and if they decide to do anything that invokes retaliation, weve got to come in and they've brought us another war. their already doing it with Iraq and the whole middle east is standing on a pin already. i give us 10 years before something happens and we've got to go in and try to fix it.

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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You had Bush claiming that Jesus was telling him what to do. Seriously?
    Not quite the same thing.
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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Pakistan, crazy and nukes just don't mix.
    I really wouldn't call Pakistan an ally though. They're are some backstabbing SOBs, who we can't trust at all. Same with Saudi Arabia.
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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Well ?, you really didn't think this poll out did you. ? (the ? no pun intended.)

    Afghanistan and Iraq were never American allies.

    Egypt use to be an ally until Obama threw Egypt under the bus.

    Libya was also an ally fighting Al Qaeda and radical jihadist until Obama also threw them under the bus.

    The United Kingdom was an alley for a hundred years until Obama disgraced the UK when one of his first action as POTUS was returning the bust of Winston Churchill that sat in the White House and returned it to the British Embassy.

    When Obama bowed from the waist to every monarch he came across pretty much lost respect by every world leader.
    Americans are never suppose to bow to Kings and Queens.

    Those allies of the past sixty years no longer trust America. Obama spies upon them and has thrown so many former allies under the bus, you can no longer trust America.

    But there is one ally who does trust Obama. MEXICO.
    Obama and the radical left wants to award 10% of Mexican nationals who violated America's sovereignty with amnesty, citizenship and a big welcome to the Democrat Party with free stuff.
    One of the issues that got Obama elected in the first place was the hope that he would clean up our global reputation after Bush Corp., ran it into the ground. Even though he has slightly raised our favoring, it's still not enough. Pew reports that 9 countries in their poll have better than a 75% favorable rating of the US, (compared to his predecessor's 7.)

    Perhaps this is why some people call him Bush Lite?

    As far as Mexico goes, the stats really haven't moved much in the past decade. One would think Obama's rating would fall since he has deported more illegals than any other president in recent times.

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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
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    This recent article reminded me of some of the countries that over the last decade we've called friends, who time and again have looked very unfriendly. Of the following countries, which do you think is the most untrustworthy US ally?

    Afghanistan: Besides the latest episode, a spate of "green-on-green" attacks where Afghan troops have turned on American troops, corruption in the government, and a seemingly never-ending deployment of our troops in the country make this an uneasy alliance.

    Pakistan: This country is guilty of failing to locate Bin Laden in their midst, allowing the ISI to support the Afghan insurgency and Taliban, having little control over their territory, and having an extremely un-American populace. Add nukes into the mix and this is a volatile partnership that is still struggling.

    Egypt: While they have been an ally in the war on terror, the military coup and government instability, human rights violations, and aggressive attitudes in the populace towards Israel all take their toll.

    Saudi Arabia: Famously, 15 of the 19 9-11 hijackers were Saudis, the country was home to Bin Laden, and the country is where modern radical Islam was born. In addition, misogynistic laws, barbaric executions by beheading, and a self-serving royalty are all antithetical to American ideals. Seemingly, the only reason for our alliance is our dependency on Saudi oil.

    Iraq: Nominally an ally (by force), the leadership of Iraq have nevertheless proven incapable of suppressing terrorism and sectarianism in their own country, destabilizing the region. They have also cozied up to Iran, including allowing Iranian flights through their airspace to provide shipments of goods to the Assad regime in Syria. Having lost thousands of lives propping up the country, there is little yet to show for it.

    Israel: Elsewhere in the middle east, our closest ally in the region nonetheless has been a thorn in our side on occasions. Besides inserting us into an intractable conflict that consumes diplomatic efforts, Israel has recently exhibited a forceful nature, involving themselves in our political affairs and pushing us towards conflicts in Syria and Iran.

    France: Our oldest ally, France seems to be our most visible love-hate relationship. On one hand, our alliance is responsible for our war in Vietnam. On the other hand, France was vilified for defying Bush's drive towards war in Iraq. While most of the time we share common values, the country's pride and independence can make its relationship with us unpredictable, and certain Americans just can't abide the French attitude.

    South Korea: While a strong regional ally, our relationship nonetheless is predicated on stationing thousands of American troops on the front lines of a possible future nuclear war. In addition, the American presence has resulted in strong anti-American undercurrents in the populace. Is the alliance really worth it?

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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Luckily our leaders and their counterparts in the UK are a little more mature than most other people and won't let something so silly have any impact whatsoever.
    I don't know, I've always found that when friends argue, they have a disagreement, they'll fight, they hash it out, and they'll either resolve the issue or agree to disagree. But what happen with that bust? That was a slight. Now when you slight someone, when someone truly feels slighted -- that SOB is gonna hate you til the day he dies.

    Is this gonna affect relations in a major way? No. Will they be long lasting? No, once Obama is out it will be over as far as foreign relations are concerned. But to think that that act didn't have any impact, any meaning, is to not understand diplomatic relations. Where EVERY move has some sort of meaning and significance.

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