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  • Afghanistan

    8 8.42%
  • Pakistan

    47 49.47%
  • Egypt

    3 3.16%
  • Saudi Arabia

    15 15.79%
  • Iraq

    0 0%
  • Israel

    13 13.68%
  • France

    1 1.05%
  • South Korea

    1 1.05%
  • Other

    7 7.37%
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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Countries that live in glass houses shouldn't fire cruise missiles.

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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    The way the US is going right now you might not have many allies left...
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    This is completely wrong. The alliance between us and South Korean is based on keeping the DPRK neutral, and by preventing China's fat ass from stealing another slice of the global pie. If they win, millions die, South Korea ceases to exist, and then Japan and the Philippines are next. Our presence there is completely necessary, not just for them, but for us as well.

    The only anti-American "undercurrents" are in the Arab/Turkish districts who are going to hate us regardless of what we do, and college towns full of extremely liberal kids who don't have any grasp on the reality of their situation. Their opinions mean jack **** to the USFK and ROK forces. Furthermore, the South Koreans aren't just our allies, they're our friends. So yes, it's worth it. It's worth every gallon of blood spilled to repel and destroy the North Korean forces, should they decide to do something stupid. If any member of the "axis of evil" should have been destroyed, it was Jong-Il. Saddam was a puppy dog compared to him, and his father, Il-Sung.
    I tend to agree, I just wanted to play devil's advocate and throw in some allies not in the middle east and to hear opinions from different angles.
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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Perotista, I don't believe the US has ANY trustworthy allies at all. I'm not just talking about the ones on this list.
    I suppose that depends on how one views trustworthy. We are looking at this through different degrees of the word trustworthy. But I think I know where you are coming from and your POV.
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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Hey I know you've taken a one way trip to crazy-town, but the UK-US alliance has not ended due to a piece of artwork being moved in the White House.
    Leave "crazy town" out of this, kicking Winston Churchill out of the White House was just one of the first acts Obama did during his first few days in the White House. He also raised taxes on 15% of the adults in America (cigarette .50 cents tax) and lied for four years saying he hasn't raised taxes on anyone.

    But outing a British double agent to help him get reelected was as bad as kicking Winston Churchill out of the White House.
    I don't think there's one country in the world who trust America.

    If your going to spy on ally heads of state, keep it a secret.

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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Perotista, I don't believe the US has ANY trustworthy allies at all. I'm not just talking about the ones on this list.
    What about Canada? We freaking share NORAD with them.
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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    We committed the same crimes in Vietnam, something fellow Koreans always overlook while raging about crimes committed by USFK)..

    Right after the Tet Offensive of 68 many noticed that Hoi An was the only large city in South Vietnam that wasn't attacked by the VC. The conclusion was Hoi An was the TAR of the 2nd ROK Marine Brigade (Blue Dragons.)

    Charley didn't like messing around with the Blue Dragons and the ROK Tiger division.

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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/29/wo...ants.html?_r=0



    This recent article reminded me of some of the countries that over the last decade we've called friends, who time and again have looked very unfriendly. Of the following countries, which do you think is the most untrustworthy US ally?

    Afghanistan: Besides the latest episode, a spate of "green-on-green" attacks where Afghan troops have turned on American troops, corruption in the government, and a seemingly never-ending deployment of our troops in the country make this an uneasy alliance.

    Pakistan: This country is guilty of failing to locate Bin Laden in their midst, allowing the ISI to support the Afghan insurgency and Taliban, having little control over their territory, and having an extremely un-American populace. Add nukes into the mix and this is a volatile partnership that is still struggling.

    Egypt: While they have been an ally in the war on terror, the military coup and government instability, human rights violations, and aggressive attitudes in the populace towards Israel all take their toll.

    Saudi Arabia: Famously, 15 of the 19 9-11 hijackers were Saudis, the country was home to Bin Laden, and the country is where modern radical Islam was born. In addition, misogynistic laws, barbaric executions by beheading, and a self-serving royalty are all antithetical to American ideals. Seemingly, the only reason for our alliance is our dependency on Saudi oil.

    Iraq: Nominally an ally (by force), the leadership of Iraq have nevertheless proven incapable of suppressing terrorism and sectarianism in their own country, destabilizing the region. They have also cozied up to Iran, including allowing Iranian flights through their airspace to provide shipments of goods to the Assad regime in Syria. Having lost thousands of lives propping up the country, there is little yet to show for it.

    Israel: Elsewhere in the middle east, our closest ally in the region nonetheless has been a thorn in our side on occasions. Besides inserting us into an intractable conflict that consumes diplomatic efforts, Israel has recently exhibited a forceful nature, involving themselves in our political affairs and pushing us towards conflicts in Syria and Iran.

    France: Our oldest ally, France seems to be our most visible love-hate relationship. On one hand, our alliance is responsible for our war in Vietnam. On the other hand, France was vilified for defying Bush's drive towards war in Iraq. While most of the time we share common values, the country's pride and independence can make its relationship with us unpredictable, and certain Americans just can't abide the French attitude.

    South Korea: While a strong regional ally, our relationship nonetheless is predicated on stationing thousands of American troops on the front lines of a possible future nuclear war. In addition, the American presence has resulted in strong anti-American undercurrents in the populace. Is the alliance really worth it?

    Other: Is it someone else?
    None are allies - all are money pits.

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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Everyone puts their own interests first. All alliances depend on having mutual interests. Remove the mutual interests and you no longer have an ally, and this can happen with anyone at anytime when circumstances change.

    BTW we should have listened to France, they were right about Iraq.

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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    If the UK wants to dump its relationship with the USA and sign up with Russia that's fine with me.
    I trust the USA as a country more than Russia. I Distrust both governments equally.
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