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  • Afghanistan

    8 8.42%
  • Pakistan

    47 49.47%
  • Egypt

    3 3.16%
  • Saudi Arabia

    15 15.79%
  • Iraq

    0 0%
  • Israel

    13 13.68%
  • France

    1 1.05%
  • South Korea

    1 1.05%
  • Other

    7 7.37%
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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    OTHER: There are no US allies who ARE trustworthy.

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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    > Accidentally votes France.

    Pakistan, they're no ally. But that goes for everyone else other than France, South Korea, and Israel.
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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    This is completely wrong. The alliance between us and South Korean is based on keeping the DPRK neutral, and by preventing China's fat ass from stealing another slice of the global pie. If they win, millions die, South Korea ceases to exist, and then Japan and the Philippines are next. Our presence there is completely necessary, not just for them, but for us as well.

    The only anti-American "undercurrents" are in the Arab/Turkish districts who are going to hate us regardless of what we do, and college towns full of extremely liberal kids who don't have any grasp on the reality of their situation. Their opinions mean jack **** to the USFK and ROK forces. Furthermore, the South Koreans aren't just our allies, they're our friends. So yes, it's worth it. It's worth every gallon of blood spilled to repel and destroy the North Korean forces, should they decide to do something stupid. If any member of the "axis of evil" should have been destroyed, it was Jong-Il. Saddam was a puppy dog compared to him, and his father, Il-Sung.
    Even though I'll get a lot of slack for this, I'll say it anyways.
    As a South Korean, I have to say that I view the US presence somewhat negatively. There have been some ugly cases involving US troops (though I'm sure that it is the rule for any force stationed for a long time. We committed the same crimes in Vietnam, something fellow Koreans always overlook while raging about crimes committed by USFK). Only a few days ago I saw an article commenting on the rapid rise of drug trafficking by the USFK. There were other unsavory instances, and the SOFA agreement is of course representative about the alliance being one-sided.
    As for the common perception that the USFK is deterring a North Korean attack, I very much doubt it. The US already has a more powerful deterrent in the form of nuclear arms, and it is my opinion that the USFK should be withdrawn both for Korea and to help with the finances of the US.
    As for the alliance, it has been very much one-sided as I mentioned before in the past, and is still somewhat one-sided now, though considerably less. For more, see the KORUS FTA.

    Now, American posters reading this may wonder whether we Koreans are such bastards as me. Well, most except the far left are mostly pro-American, though in a sense that it's at least the much lesser among other evils. As for whether I'm an anti-US bastard, I am thankful to the gods that our asses were saved by the US in the Korean war (or the 2nd Korean war, depending on the reader's view of history) and I still hold the US and its citizens in high regard, as demonstrated on this very forum.
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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Concur with this. I have a few buddies who have served over there and they said the locals are nothing but polite and respectful towards them.

    Also, great story, I was running the National Mall one day while visiting Marine Corps Base Quantico. I had run by the Vietnam Memorial earlier in the run and was pondering about how worthless Korea, Vietnam, and our current wars have been. When I arrived at the Korean War Memorial, there was a group of South Korean college students there. One of them had some sort of banner in her hand. Naturally I thought to myself "Great, these kids are probably going to leave some sort of anti-war, anti-America banner here." However, when they placed the banner up on the memorial it read "We will never forget the freedom you provided for us. Thank you American servicemen." I can't remember the name of the college that was on the banner. I want to say it was Korea University. It literally brought tears to my eyes to see that. I'll never forget that moment.
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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    I was stationed in Korea for two years and I thought the people were perfectly fine and normal. Some assholes, some nice folks. But that's beside the point. South Korea shouldn't even be an option on the list: they're one of the US' best allies.
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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    I don't think it has, but it was a smack across the old Chevy Chase...
    Luckily our leaders and their counterparts in the UK are a little more mature than most other people and won't let something so silly have any impact whatsoever.

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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    OTHER: There are no US allies who ARE trustworthy.
    The top 5 are all in the iffy zone. The Egyptian Military and the U.S. military have a very close working relationship and as long as the Muslim Brotherhood stays out of power I do not see that working relationship coming to a halt. The Saudis are our ally as long as we can guarentee the royal family stays in power and will work with us. So these two are more trustworthy than the last three although trustworthyness is very questionable depending on the circumstances or happenings withing each of these two countries borders.

    Karzi and Malic I don't trust one bit. They will bend in the wind in whatever direction it is blowing. Pakistan, we need them a whole lot more than they need us, at least for the present. But of these three, I do not think Pakistan would ever turn on us 100%, they need us to counter balance India as it is India they are most fearful of.

    So that list boils down to two IMO, Iraq and Afghanistan. I could go into all the things this country has done wrong in Afghanistan turning friendly tribes who liked us a lot into enemies. Then there is Iraq who is playing footsie with Iran. Call it a draw for the time being. Iraq and Afghanistan.
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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Perotista, I don't believe the US has ANY trustworthy allies at all. I'm not just talking about the ones on this list.

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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    No question that Pakistan's support of the Taliban and OBL are the deciding factors. Also the Pakistan ISI Gen Mahmoud was a $50,000 paymaster to Mohammed Atta and when the USA first invaded Afghanistan their military advance stalled three days at either Kandahar or Khost while the Pakistan ISI flew out thousands of their troops that were fighting with the Taliban. The CIA based allegiances of our Nation need to be independently evaluated. The Saudis were a close second. Another septic tank of radical anti USA activity. Although, a case can be made that the USA is not such a good guy either.

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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Idk about civilized. A few of the cities were somewhat civilized. That place is frozen in the 1700's man. Internet cafe's and a nightclub don't make a city civilized lol.
    You sure it is the 17000's? I was never there but it looks like the middle ages from here?
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