View Poll Results: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?

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  • Afghanistan

    8 8.42%
  • Pakistan

    47 49.47%
  • Egypt

    3 3.16%
  • Saudi Arabia

    15 15.79%
  • Iraq

    0 0%
  • Israel

    13 13.68%
  • France

    1 1.05%
  • South Korea

    1 1.05%
  • Other

    7 7.37%
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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
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    This recent article reminded me of some of the countries that over the last decade we've called friends, who time and again have looked very unfriendly. Of the following countries, which do you think is the most untrustworthy US ally?

    Afghanistan: Besides the latest episode, a spate of "green-on-green" attacks where Afghan troops have turned on American troops, corruption in the government, and a seemingly never-ending deployment of our troops in the country make this an uneasy alliance.

    Pakistan: This country is guilty of failing to locate Bin Laden in their midst, allowing the ISI to support the Afghan insurgency and Taliban, having little control over their territory, and having an extremely un-American populace. Add nukes into the mix and this is a volatile partnership that is still struggling.

    Egypt: While they have been an ally in the war on terror, the military coup and government instability, human rights violations, and aggressive attitudes in the populace towards Israel all take their toll.

    Saudi Arabia: Famously, 15 of the 19 9-11 hijackers were Saudis, the country was home to Bin Laden, and the country is where modern radical Islam was born. In addition, misogynistic laws, barbaric executions by beheading, and a self-serving royalty are all antithetical to American ideals. Seemingly, the only reason for our alliance is our dependency on Saudi oil.

    Iraq: Nominally an ally (by force), the leadership of Iraq have nevertheless proven incapable of suppressing terrorism and sectarianism in their own country, destabilizing the region. They have also cozied up to Iran, including allowing Iranian flights through their airspace to provide shipments of goods to the Assad regime in Syria. Having lost thousands of lives propping up the country, there is little yet to show for it.

    Israel: Elsewhere in the middle east, our closest ally in the region nonetheless has been a thorn in our side on occasions. Besides inserting us into an intractable conflict that consumes diplomatic efforts, Israel has recently exhibited a forceful nature, involving themselves in our political affairs and pushing us towards conflicts in Syria and Iran.

    France: Our oldest ally, France seems to be our most visible love-hate relationship. On one hand, our alliance is responsible for our war in Vietnam. On the other hand, France was vilified for defying Bush's drive towards war in Iraq. While most of the time we share common values, the country's pride and independence can make its relationship with us unpredictable, and certain Americans just can't abide the French attitude.

    South Korea: While a strong regional ally, our relationship nonetheless is predicated on stationing thousands of American troops on the front lines of a possible future nuclear war. In addition, the American presence has resulted in strong anti-American undercurrents in the populace. Is the alliance really worth it?

    Other: Is it someone else?
    Too many to mention. If we completely trust any of them, we're not only fools, we're damned fools.

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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Yes,your reasoning is fallacious. Luckily for you, there should be plenty of time left for you to familiarize yourself with the logical fallacies inherent in an appeal to authority and an appeal to popularity. That the United Nations would single out one tiny country and declare their very existence to be "racist" is so absolutely ridiculous that any thinking person would laugh at the idea and question their judgement.

    Sadly, it is increasingly difficult to find thinking people these days in an era when people place such blind trust in an organization that they view such notions as valid.
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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    This isn't even a contest. We know Pakistan provides refuge and support for al-Qaeda allies. We know that they are divided amongst competing murderous factions within the government. We know that they have nuclear missiles aimed at India and would be more than happy to use them in the event of a conflict. What has been done by any of our other allies that comes close to this shameless backstabbing?
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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    In each of those cases, through aide we have bought a certain level of influence. Not so with Israel, who takes the aide and does as they please.
    Doing what you want in spite of foreign aid is hardly a sign of being untrustworthy, especially when stacked up against providing sanctuary and assistance to anti-American terrorists, or exporting the ideology that empowers them.

    Even with your parameters, Pakistan is still less trustworthy. They gorge on $4 billion a year of US aid while hiding and helping al-Qaeda affiliates.
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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Doing what you want in spite of foreign aid is hardly a sign of being untrustworthy, especially when stacked up against providing sanctuary and assistance to anti-American terrorists, or exporting the ideology that empowers them.

    Even with your parameters, Pakistan is still less trustworthy. They gorge on $4 billion a year of US aid while hiding and helping al-Qaeda affiliates.
    Saudi trains them.
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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Quote Originally Posted by Nynaeve Meara View Post
    Saudi trains them.
    No, it doesn't. The worst that Saudi Arabia's done is promote a fanatical interpretation of Islam within its borders, which fuels terrorist ideology.
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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    No, it doesn't. The worst that Saudi Arabia's done is promote a fanatical interpretation of Islam within its borders, which fuels terrorist ideology.
    They trained nearly all of Al Queda and have done so for years. Their financial and military support of salfist jihadism is horrible for a supposed ally of ours.
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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Isra-Hell, hands down.

    An utter disgrace to the 'civilised' world and America's great shame.

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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    What? When? Back in WWI? Or is that a reference to illegal immigration?
    Of course.

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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

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