View Poll Results: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?

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  • Afghanistan

    8 8.42%
  • Pakistan

    47 49.47%
  • Egypt

    3 3.16%
  • Saudi Arabia

    15 15.79%
  • Iraq

    0 0%
  • Israel

    13 13.68%
  • France

    1 1.05%
  • South Korea

    1 1.05%
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Thread: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Wait, so now you don't know my motives? Can you get your story straight please.
    I didn't say I didn't know.

    I said you are quite welcome to make good on your allegation by trying to come up with something I didn't know to provide the basis for your oft stated hatred for the Jewish state.

    Do you have anything to offer that isn't an Elders of Zion style argument?
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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I didn't say I didn't know.

    I said you are quite welcome to make good on your allegation by trying to come up with something I didn't know to provide the basis for your oft stated hatred for the Jewish state.

    Do you have anything to offer that isn't an Elders of Zion style argument?
    And yet you continue to dodge. What do you think you know? You claimed to know my motivations, so it is time to put up. We both know you got in over your head here, you can admit it, or try and actually back up your claim. Which is it?
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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And yet you continue to dodge. What do you think you know? You claimed to know my motivations, so it is time to put up. We both know you got in over your head here, you can admit it, or try and actually back up your claim. Which is it?
    You can't come up with any reasons that don't follow all the traditional themes that involve undue influence, working behind the scenes and manipulation,can you? You need say no more by way of confirming my original statement.

    I suppose I could always ask Graffias, with whom you share this view.
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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Why do we feel we deserve the respect of other nations when we don't respect them back? NSA ruined that for us.
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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    You can't come up with any reasons that don't follow all the traditional themes that involve undue influence, working behind the scenes and manipulation,can you? You need say no more by way of confirming my original statement.

    I suppose I could always ask Graffias, with whom you share this view.
    Undue influence? No, don't think so. Working behind the scenes? Are you referring to conspiracy crap? If so, nope. Manipulation? Not even remotely. So what we have seen is you don't know what you are talking about in the least. Hint: The poll question is what I answered, not some other crap unrelated to it.
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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Undue influence? No, don't think so. Working behind the scenes? Are you referring to conspiracy crap? If so, nope. Manipulation? Not even remotely. So what we have seen is you don't know what you are talking about in the least. Hint: The poll question is what I answered, not some other crap unrelated to it.
    I see.

    So you simply hate the Jewish state because it is a liberal oasis in a sea of knuckle-dragging backwardness, then. Or is it because they are a worldwide center of research and development in various environmentally sound technologies? I suppose your hatred could also spring from the fact that the Mullahs hate them and so you, should too.


    I shouldn't discount the possibility, either, that you simply hate them because that's what the illiberal portion of the left is required to do in order to earn proper cred.
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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I see.

    So you simply hate the Jewish state because it is a liberal oasis in a sea of knuckle-dragging backwardness, then. Or is it because they are a worldwide center of research and development in various environmentally sound technologies? I suppose your hatred could also spring from the fact that the Mullahs hate them and so you, should too.


    I shouldn't discount the possibility, either, that you simply hate them because that's what the illiberal portion of the left is required to do in order to earn proper cred.
    I answered Israel, not the Jewish state. See, this is where your disconnect comes in. I am answering in how much the country of Israel is as a trustworthy ally. All the nonsense you believe because you react emotionally on the topic of Israel is your problem and nothing to do with me or my beliefs. So you might want to stop assuming things and looking silly.
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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I answered Israel, not the Jewish state. See, this is where your disconnect comes in. I am answering in how much the country of Israel is as a trustworthy ally. All the nonsense you believe because you react emotionally on the topic of Israel is your problem and nothing to do with me or my beliefs. So you might want to stop assuming things and looking silly.
    That you believe the state of Israel is less trustworthy than those of Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc. is laughable on its own, but that you really think that Gardener - who is sharing what? 5 years with you on this site? - wouldn't know what your opinions regarding Israel are by now, and would have to throw guesses around to figure it, is simply ridiculous.
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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    That you believe the state of Israel is less trustworthy than those of Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc. is laughable on its own, but that you really think that Gardener - who is sharing what? 5 years with you on this site? - wouldn't know what your opinions regarding Israel are by now, and would have to throw guesses around to figure it, is simply ridiculous.
    In each of those cases, through aide we have bought a certain level of influence. Not so with Israel, who takes the aide and does as they please.

    And you will note that Gardener was entirely wrong in his explanation of why he thought I chose Israel. So apparently he does not know my opinions. This is entirely predictable due to how Gardener views things in regards to Israel. He does not realize that you can oppose Israel's actions and not be anti-Semitic.
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    re: Which US Ally is the Most Untrustworthy?[W:184:189]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I answered Israel, not the Jewish state. See, this is where your disconnect comes in. I am answering in how much the country of Israel is as a trustworthy ally. All the nonsense you believe because you react emotionally on the topic of Israel is your problem and nothing to do with me or my beliefs. So you might want to stop assuming things and looking silly.
    So, you think Israel is not the Jewish state? That makes as much sense as saying France is not the French state or Japan is not the Japanese state.

    The truth of the matter is that you and Graffias both chose Israel as being the least trustworthy ally -- less trustworthy than Pakistan, which harbored Bin Laden, Saudi Arabia that funds virulently anti American Madrassas and any of a number of other sensible choices -- and you did so because of some similarities in your ideologies. You are unwilling to state why, and after seeing you express your hatred for the Jewish state countless times, I have come to expect this. Like I said,you are obvious and predictable.

    Sheesh. Asking the illiberal portion of the hard left why they hate the Jewish state is like asking the bible-thumping fundy portion of the hard right why they hate gay people. It is a matter of unshakable faith in both cases, long on lock-step conformity, long on hatred, but very, very short on reason. The mere fact you are unable to come up with a reason for your hatred tells us all we need to know.
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