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Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

Does it make sense that people driving more miles pay more tax?

  • yes, usage tax is the most fair

    Votes: 7 25.9%
  • no, usage tax is not fair

    Votes: 14 51.9%
  • I could care less

    Votes: 3 11.1%
  • I may have to move closer to work if it passes

    Votes: 3 11.1%

  • Total voters
    27
  • Poll closed .

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A black box in your car? Some see a source of tax revenue

The devices would track every mile you drive —possibly including your location — and the government would use the data to draw up a tax bill.

WASHINGTON — As America's road planners struggle to find the cash to mend a crumbling highway system, many are beginning to see a solution in a little black box that fits neatly by the dashboard of your car.

The devices, which track every mile a motorist drives and transmit that information to bureaucrats, are at the center of a controversial attempt in Washington and state planning offices to overhaul the outdated system for funding America's major roads.

A black box in your car? Some see a source of tax revenue - latimes.com
 
Buried at the end of the article are these two paragraphs: Some transportation planners, though, wonder if all the talk about paying by the mile is just a giant distraction. At the Metropolitan Transportation Commission in the San Francisco Bay Area, officials say Congress could very simply deal with the bankrupt Highway Trust Fund by raising gas taxes. An extra one-time or annual levy could be imposed on drivers of hybrids and others whose vehicles don't use much gas, so they pay their fair share.

"There is no need for radical surgery when all you need to do is take an aspirin," said Randy Rentschler, the commission's director of legislation and public affairs. "If we do this, hundreds of millions of drivers will be concerned about their privacy and a host of other things."


All this amounts to is a roundabout way to raise gas taxes. Why not just ****ing make the case for raising gas taxes?
 
Buried at the end of the article are these two paragraphs: Some transportation planners, though, wonder if all the talk about paying by the mile is just a giant distraction. At the Metropolitan Transportation Commission in the San Francisco Bay Area, officials say Congress could very simply deal with the bankrupt Highway Trust Fund by raising gas taxes. An extra one-time or annual levy could be imposed on drivers of hybrids and others whose vehicles don't use much gas, so they pay their fair share.

"There is no need for radical surgery when all you need to do is take an aspirin," said Randy Rentschler, the commission's director of legislation and public affairs. "If we do this, hundreds of millions of drivers will be concerned about their privacy and a host of other things."


All this amounts to is a roundabout way to raise gas taxes. Why not just ****ing make the case for raising gas taxes?

For two reasons, electrics don't use gas and plug in hybrids depending on how they are driven might not use any for a year or so.

Secondly how else would the government track where you are going for crime fighting or as anti terrorism actions. You might leave your cell phone at home
 
One thing that I would like to see is the use of more railroads--the trucks do more to damage to our highways than cars do. Why not increase fines for overweight and speeding trucks?

Another thing that could save money is have diesel trucks convert to natural gas. Those that do not pay a penalty. :thumbs:
 
I voted that a usage tax would be most fair, but with the caveat that I completely disagree with any attempt to actually track driving miles (especially by GPS).

Were this something possible to attain without having the government physically track how many miles I drive, I could support it. However, as the case may be I cannot stand behind this idea. I'd rather see them raise the gas tax or levy a one-time annual road use tax than simply track my mileage.

That can lead to all kinds of abuse and limitations. Currently, no one is telling me to only drive x number of miles per month and I'd just as soon keep it that way.
 
those whom drive more already pay more in taxes.... they use more fuel, and pay those taxes... they use more tires, and pay those taxes.

no reason on earth to put a lil black box in anyone's car.

if the transportation fund is bankrupt, then the fed is seriously mismanaging that money.
 
A black box in your car? Some see a source of tax revenue

The devices would track every mile you drive —possibly including your location — and the government would use the data to draw up a tax bill.

WASHINGTON — As America's road planners struggle to find the cash to mend a crumbling highway system, many are beginning to see a solution in a little black box that fits neatly by the dashboard of your car.

The devices, which track every mile a motorist drives and transmit that information to bureaucrats, are at the center of a controversial attempt in Washington and state planning offices to overhaul the outdated system for funding America's major roads.

A black box in your car? Some see a source of tax revenue - latimes.com
We already do this, in the form of gas tax - the more you drive, the more you have to buy, and thus the more tax you pay.


If you need to raise taxes on drivers, just raise the gas tax, there's no need to start tracking people's driving habits...
 
A black box in your car? Some see a source of tax revenue

The devices would track every mile you drive —possibly including your location — and the government would use the data to draw up a tax bill.

WASHINGTON — As America's road planners struggle to find the cash to mend a crumbling highway system, many are beginning to see a solution in a little black box that fits neatly by the dashboard of your car.

The devices, which track every mile a motorist drives and transmit that information to bureaucrats, are at the center of a controversial attempt in Washington and state planning offices to overhaul the outdated system for funding America's major roads.

A black box in your car? Some see a source of tax revenue - latimes.com

If it involves the use of a GPS or some other means of tracking you then I oppose it.
 
We already do this, in the form of gas tax - the more you drive, the more you have to buy, and thus the more tax you pay.


If you need to raise taxes on drivers, just raise the gas tax, there's no need to start tracking people's driving habits...

it is not exactly the same, people with trucks probably drive less than people in californina with those small cars, if they drive more they should pay more
 
If it involves the use of a GPS or some other means of tracking you then I oppose it.

if you have a cell phone or ON star it is already being done
 
Sigh...I'm getting tired of waiting for the people to stand up against the government spying on them. :(
 
One thing that I would like to see is the use of more railroads--the trucks do more to damage to our highways than cars do. Why not increase fines for overweight and speeding trucks?

Commercial vehicles pay the Heavy Road Use Tax, so they're already paying extra.

More regulations and higher fines will just hamper the private market more than it already is.

You can put as much rail transportation in place as you want and you'll still never get away from trucks.

Another thing that could save money is have diesel trucks convert to natural gas. Those that do not pay a penalty. :thumbs:

Who's going to pay for that crap?
 
For two reasons, electrics don't use gas and plug in hybrids depending on how they are driven might not use any for a year or so.

Secondly how else would the government track where you are going for crime fighting or as anti terrorism actions. You might leave your cell phone at home

Hybrid drivers should pay a usage tax, while gas burner drivers keep paying taxes when they buy fuel. Simple.
 
Commercial vehicles pay the Heavy Road Use Tax, so they're already paying extra.
But they're also tearing up extra too.




Who's going to pay for that crap?
The trucking firms. I sure don't want to pay for black boxes and than let them record how much taxes I have to pay for trucks ripping up the highways and rural roads.
 
it is not exactly the same, people with trucks probably drive less than people in californina with those small cars, if they drive more they should pay more
Gas tax is currently the easiest way of gauging driving amount.

Because a gas tax obviously increases gas prices, it has the added benefit of discouraging the use of low-MPG vehicles (good for the environment?) and encouraging driving habits which prevent excessive gas use (as in, not driving fast, not accelerating rapidly, ets).

Until and unless hybrid vehicles and vehicles that use no gas become the a large percentage of the vehicles on the road, this is the best and simplest way to tax driving.
 
A black box in your car? Some see a source of tax revenue

The devices would track every mile you drive —possibly including your location — and the government would use the data to draw up a tax bill.

WASHINGTON — As America's road planners struggle to find the cash to mend a crumbling highway system, many are beginning to see a solution in a little black box that fits neatly by the dashboard of your car.

The devices, which track every mile a motorist drives and transmit that information to bureaucrats, are at the center of a controversial attempt in Washington and state planning offices to overhaul the outdated system for funding America's major roads.

A black box in your car? Some see a source of tax revenue - latimes.com

My answer would be "No," not "no, usage tax is unfair." For this reason: Most people can't say how much they'll drive in the future. Also, it would be too complicated to try to track that sort of thing. Third, a heavier vehicle or one with certain tires, or driven a certain way, would be more damaging to a roadway than a different one driven more miles. Fourth, it depends on which roads you use that would determine how much damage and wear you would do. Driving your big Suburban around neighborhoods every day for years, for carpooling or whatever, would be much more damaging than one 1,000 mile trip on interstate highways.

As for your "I could care less" choice, I think you mean "I could not care less."
 
Gas tax is currently the easiest way of gauging driving amount.

Because a gas tax obviously increases gas prices, it has the added benefit of discouraging the use of low-MPG vehicles (good for the environment?) and encouraging driving habits which prevent excessive gas use (as in, not driving fast, not accelerating rapidly, ets).

Until and unless hybrid vehicles and vehicles that use no gas become the a large percentage of the vehicles on the road, this is the best and simplest way to tax driving.

I disagree, it penalizes those that need larger vehicles. People in metro areas should pay more because many travel 1-2 hours to work everyday
 
My answer would be "No," not "no, usage tax is unfair." For this reason: Most people can't say how much they'll drive in the future. Also, it would be too complicated to try to track that sort of thing. Third, a heavier vehicle or one with certain tires, or driven a certain way, would be more damaging to a roadway than a different one driven more miles. Fourth, it depends on which roads you use that would determine how much damage and wear you would do. Driving your big Suburban around neighborhoods every day for years, for carpooling or whatever, would be much more damaging than one 1,000 mile trip on interstate highways.

As for your "I could care less" choice, I think you mean "I could not care less."

I meant what was posted
 
I disagree, it penalizes those that need larger vehicles. People in metro areas should pay more because many travel 1-2 hours to work everyday
Your penalize is my discourage. They're the same thing, really.


So you're saying that road use should gauge tax amount, rather than gas use? Or in addition to?
 
But they're also tearing up extra too.

They also make civilized life possible, too.




The trucking firms. I sure don't want to pay for black boxes and than let them record how much taxes I have to pay for trucks ripping up the highways and rural roads.

So, how many more jobs are you willing to kill and small businesses are you willing to destroy to promote the Libbo agenda?
 
A black box in your car? Some see a source of tax revenue

The devices would track every mile you drive —possibly including your location — and the government would use the data to draw up a tax bill.

WASHINGTON — As America's road planners struggle to find the cash to mend a crumbling highway system, many are beginning to see a solution in a little black box that fits neatly by the dashboard of your car.

The devices, which track every mile a motorist drives and transmit that information to bureaucrats, are at the center of a controversial attempt in Washington and state planning offices to overhaul the outdated system for funding America's major roads.

A black box in your car? Some see a source of tax revenue - latimes.com
There should only be a flat 10% income tax, and no other kind of tax at all. No progressive tax system, and you know that's coming for travel just like with income. You won't just play a flat per-mile fee. The more miles you drive the more you will pay per-mile, just like income tax.
 
There should only be a flat 10% income tax, and no other kind of tax at all. No progressive tax system, and you know that's coming for travel just like with income. You won't just play a flat per-mile fee. The more miles you drive the more you will pay per-mile, just like income tax.

I would be ok with a 10% flat fee, that is less than I pay now
 
They also make civilized life possible, too.
Civilized life has been going great way before 1910.






So, how many more jobs are you willing to kill and small businesses are you willing to destroy to promote the Libbo agenda?
None whatsoever. I'm trying to save jobs by stopping the conservative agenda of having tax payers pay for black boxes, and the taxes that go with them, so tax payers can use their money to buy goods and services and keep the economy going. Let the trucking firms pay for the roads if they tear them up--which they do IMO.
 
Civilized life has been going great way before 1910.






None whatsoever. I'm trying to save jobs by stopping the conservative agenda of having tax payers pay for black boxes, and the taxes that go with them, so tax payers can use their money to buy goods and services and keep the economy going. Let the trucking firms pay for the roads if they tear them up--which they do IMO.

How are you going to employ the truck drivers who lose their jobs, when their companies close the doors, because the new overhead cuts into their profits too much?

Wouldn't you rather see the government stop mismanaging our money?
 
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