View Poll Results: Does it make sense that people driving more miles pay more tax?

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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Are you using the "If private businesses are doing it then its okay for the government to do it" excuse?

    My cellphone is a cheap 5 year old Samsung cricket phone which stays at home and I know how to read a map and street signs.
    don't be silly, anyone can track your cell phone, regardless if it is yours or a business

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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    usage tax is not good. The wear on roads comes from weight of vehicles and weather not simple usage.

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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    OP asks only what the fairest way would be, not how likely it is the politicians will do what they are supposed to do.
    But the chance of such a thing happening (nil), is highly relevant to the topic at hand.
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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    But the chance of such a thing happening (nil), is highly relevant to the topic at hand.
    It is not relevant to the identity of the fairest form of road-use tax.

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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    It is not relevant to the identity of the fairest form of road-use tax.
    Is it not?

    The fairest form of road-use tax allows the least amount of micromanagement by political figures, or rather micromismanagement.
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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Is it not?

    The fairest form of road-use tax allows the least amount of micromanagement by political figures, or rather micromismanagement.
    No, the question of what is fair is independent of the issue of political mismanagement.

    Political mismanagement is a practical matter which might theoretically subtract enough value from what would otherwise be the fairest solution to a problem to make a less fair solution more desirable. Theoretically. Is there any reason to assume that road-use tax would lead to more political mismanagement than sales tax or some other form of generating revenue?

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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    No, the question of what is fair is independent of the issue of political mismanagement.

    Political mismanagement is a practical matter which might theoretically subtract enough value from what would otherwise be the fairest solution to a problem to make a less fair solution more desirable. Theoretically. Is there any reason to assume that road-use tax would lead to more political mismanagement than sales tax or some other form of generating revenue?
    Unless the road-use tax is collected entirely by robots and no humans are allowed any form of control over it, beyond the initial programming telling the robots to "collect X amount of tax per vehicle (perhaps with a "type" thrown in)......yes.

    Or rather, no....The same amount of risk.

    Which is why I dislike multiple types of taxes - they just allow more room for mismanagement. A few larger taxes rather than hundreds of smaller ones would be better.
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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Unless the road-use tax is collected entirely by robots and no humans are allowed any form of control over it, beyond the initial programming telling the robots to "collect X amount of tax per vehicle (perhaps with a "type" thrown in)......yes.

    Or rather, no....The same amount of risk.
    This is not political mismanagement. You do not specify exactly what it is, in fact. I guess you are referring to ineffective work habits of government employees. Tax collection is an area where government employees seem to be performing reasonably effectively, and no, I do not consider the recent brouhaha over some teabaggers getting singled out for extra attention to be a case of inefficiency.



    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Which is why I dislike multiple types of taxes - they just allow more room for mismanagement. A few larger taxes rather than hundreds of smaller ones would be better.
    I am all for maximum simplification, and I do not not sold on automobile usage tax.

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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    This is not political mismanagement. You do not specify exactly what it is, in fact. I guess you are referring to ineffective work habits of government employees. Tax collection is an area where government employees seem to be performing reasonably effectively, and no, I do not consider the recent brouhaha over some teabaggers getting singled out for extra attention to be a case of inefficiency.
    I was actually thinking more along the lines of various and sundry exemptions and the like, added after the fact.

    The collection part was a bit off course.
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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    screw the black box, just tax gas, not mileage. Black boxes are an intrusion into people lives, the government does not DESERVE or RESERVE the right to track my driving.
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