View Poll Results: Does it make sense that people driving more miles pay more tax?

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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    It is already done. Gas Tax. The more you drive (gas/diesel) the more fuel tax you pay.

    One could say the electric and hybrid vehicles are not paying their fair share of road maintenance now because they use less fuel.

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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Here's an example of how all these fees and taxes hit working people. The list of taxes and fees almost endless.

    A person needs a car to get to work or will lose his/her job - which would cause his/her family to be evicted. He makes a deal for an old tote-the-note car at $70 per week - or $280 every 4 weeks, and only needs $100 down to get the car. So, for $100 plus $140 (first and last week) he has a car: $240.00. That is an amount s/he can just barely scrape out of the next paycheck...

    ... WAIT, what about the government's take!? Well, there is the $225.00 "new registration" fee, $57.64 registration fee, $28.00 new plate fee and $180.00 sales tax.

    So a work single parent buying a $3000 old car has to FIRST give the government $490.64. To which the pro-tax crowd will explain "Yes and rich people like that should pay even more. The private sector is doing GREAT. It's the government sector that's hurting." (Exactly quoting Harry Reid)

    ALL THE TALK ALWAYS ABOUT MAKING THE RICH PAY MORE is always a diversion from the reality that really who they are making pay more to the government is the working people, poor people and elderly.

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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    If the goal is to raise money for road repairs then yes, usage tax in the only fair way.

    BUT there is no way in hell the driving public is ever going to agree to carry around these black boxes, and seriously suggesting it would probably be political suicide, so don't look for it to even come to a legislative vote.

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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    If the goal is to raise money for road repairs then yes, usage tax in the only fair way.

    BUT there is no way in hell the driving public is ever going to agree to carry around these black boxes, and seriously suggesting it would probably be political suicide, so don't look for it to even come to a legislative vote.
    They already have them in cars and have for certainly a decade if not more. All that is needed is the manufacturer access code. They are required in all new cars.

    Why would you believe they would use the money for road repair? The 50 to 70 cents per gallon on gasoline and diesel also was promised to be used for roads. Just for gasoline that is over $70,000,000,000 per year. Add another $60,000,000,000 in taxes collected on diesel. $130 BILLION dollars ROAD TAXES COLLECTED PER YEAR for road maintenance and repairs - and that does NOT include the THOUSANDS of dollars per year each semi and commercial truck pays. Instead, it just now goes into the general fund - though was justified as going to be used for roads.

    So, now they say "believe us THIS time. We PROMISE will use THIS NEW TAX for roads." And people will believe them because people tend to be stupid and gullible.
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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    They already have them in cars and have for certainly a decade if not more. All that is needed is the manufacturer access code. They are required in all new cars.
    I had no idea about these things. I am not sure the fact that they are already there would reduce the political stink of turning them on.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Why would you believe they would use the money for road repair? The 50 to 70 cents per gallon on gasoline and diesel also was promised to be used for roads. Just for gasoline that is over $70,000,000,000 per year. Add another $60,000,000,000 in taxes collected on diesel. $130 BILLION dollars ROAD TAXES COLLECTED PER YEAR for road maintenance and repairs - and that does NOT include the THOUSANDS of dollars per year each semi and commercial truck pays. Instead, it just now goes into the general fund - though was justified as going to be used for roads.

    So, now they say "believe us THIS time. We PROMISE will use THIS NEW TAX for roads." And people will believe them because people tend to be stupid and gullible.
    OP asks only what the fairest way would be, not how likely it is the politicians will do what they are supposed to do.

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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Ever get around to buying an electrified ice box, pappy?
    What does not having a brand new cellphone and GPS have to do with owning a refrigerator? Ever heard of the saying if ain't broke then don't fix it?
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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    A black box in your car? Some see a source of tax revenue

    The devices would track every mile you drive —possibly including your location — and the government would use the data to draw up a tax bill.

    WASHINGTON — As America's road planners struggle to find the cash to mend a crumbling highway system, many are beginning to see a solution in a little black box that fits neatly by the dashboard of your car.

    The devices, which track every mile a motorist drives and transmit that information to bureaucrats, are at the center of a controversial attempt in Washington and state planning offices to overhaul the outdated system for funding America's major roads.

    A black box in your car? Some see a source of tax revenue - latimes.com
    Odd isn't it... they want others to pay for your medical care, but when it comes to cars it's a matter of personal usage.

    Of course I want more bureaucracy, the ability to track... ahhh helll... why not just put a chip in our heads and a tattoo on our foreheads and forearms.
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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    If the government wants to tax based on mileage, which seems less fair that a gas tax, they can simply ask for odometer readings when the vehicle gets it's regular safety/emissions inspection. There's no need for an expensive and potentially privacy violating government gps in each car.
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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Here's an example of how all these fees and taxes hit working people. The list of taxes and fees almost endless.

    A person needs a car to get to work or will lose his/her job - which would cause his/her family to be evicted. He makes a deal for an old tote-the-note car at $70 per week - or $280 every 4 weeks, and only needs $100 down to get the car. So, for $100 plus $140 (first and last week) he has a car: $240.00. That is an amount s/he can just barely scrape out of the next paycheck...

    ... WAIT, what about the government's take!? Well, there is the $225.00 "new registration" fee, $57.64 registration fee, $28.00 new plate fee and $180.00 sales tax.

    So a work single parent buying a $3000 old car has to FIRST give the government $490.64. To which the pro-tax crowd will explain "Yes and rich people like that should pay even more. The private sector is doing GREAT. It's the government sector that's hurting." (Exactly quoting Harry Reid)

    ALL THE TALK ALWAYS ABOUT MAKING THE RICH PAY MORE is always a diversion from the reality that really who they are making pay more to the government is the working people, poor people and elderly.
    I agree bit that is a state by state isuue. Here in Oregon there only the $40 reg fee (good for two years), you can usually keep the old plates and no sales tax. Oh, and it costs $25 to go through DEQ for the smog and safety cert.

    Also, I remember being poor and I could never afford a $3000 vehicle, think sub $1000. I actually liked the older vehicles because I could do the work myself.

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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    These guys don't need MORE money they need to spend the money they got on what its supposed to go to in the first place.

    I trust that sheds light on the actual situation. Believe me commercial trucking more than pays for the roads. The problem comes from the government using the funds not as intended. Our roads and bridges should be in excellent shape if they where actually allocated the funds they were supposed to have in the first place.
    I think that they do. I just got done going on a trip in Ohio to Kentucky and was held up with numerous road projects.

    And I found this interesting article: Overweight trucks damage infrastructure. (USA Today)
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